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    Here is sectioned 585 HE case in the middle, we first made from


    another case, years ago before we had factory run of brass and


    it had perfect thickness on the sides and inside corrner.


    We could fire them many times without sides thinning..


    First case is factory run of our 585 HE, 3rd is case that is too


    thick of sides and sticks at high pressures..





    Pic of our factory run cases necked down to 375 and fired 4 times


    at high pressure on the right, with unfired case on the left.


    Our case is not perfect but does work...Ed


    Ed Hubel

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    About 416 cal bullets............


    The heaviest 550 gr for Extreme ELR probably be best 8 to 1 twist , in 416 caliber bullet,
    and 520 gr 9.5 to 1, and 470gr 10 to one, Some barrels I picked up are 10 to 1.......


    Now a novel idea is to lighten rear of bullet with small shallow hole drilled in base, might do better
    long range.which would allow 10 to one barrel stabilize the heavier 550 gr bullets for ELR.
    Making bullet nose heavier makes it more stable in flight, needing less spin,
    like our hollow base 585 cal minie bullets only need 48 to 1 twist, or less
    while out regular 585 bullets need about 24 to 1 to stabilise them..............


    The winner of the King Of 2 Mile shoot last week was using 416 Barrett with a 1 to 10
    twist, with a 500 gr CEB Lazer bullet, ...Robert Brantley, with Manners Stocks....


    Paul Philips was third with a 416...


    GOOD NEWS-- There is now an importer and seller of our 585 HE brass getting set up here,
    in US, hopefully will be in stock, few weeks........ http://bertrambrass.com .. .. Caleb Hallet..


    Have got another intermediate size action besides the Montana PH our guys working on,
    to do speed testingwith. It is big long REM style action that can take our 416 HSM, ED
    Ed Hubel

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    Experimental intermediate size action with the Montana PH, for comparison.


    It is an experimental action for our 416 HSM, to do our speed testing with


    and get a better action than Cheytac size actions, for bigger case ELR use,


    without going all way up to more expensive, huge actions.


    It is big long round style action that can take our 416 HSM, almost


    1.6" diameter action and .800" bolt, with locking lugs nearly as big as most


    BMG actions.... ED




    Ed Hubel

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    Here is picture of the bolt from the experimental action,


    with our 416 HSM case in it. Note the amount of the


    base size of locking lugs, the amount of area on the bolt..









    Here is link to guy doing special 585 HE in the EU,


    Good pictures............www.585he.cz


    We tested intermediate action with a 700HE barrel we had here.


    Just temporary to test strength. 1000 gr over 3100..


    Action worked fine.. Ed.
    Ed Hubel

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    Here is video of early water barrel test of the


    12ga From Hell, from years ago.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c48zTpsgbuk




    Here is picture from that video..









    Here is the intermediate size action for 416 HSM with test barrel, .Ed


    Ed Hubel

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    In 416 HSM got a 415 gr long target bullet 3800,


    with plain barrel, no brake, on intermediate action,


    Our 416 HE gets same 415gr bullet to 3300.Ed
    Ed Hubel

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    Here is picture of our 416HSM cases with screw in shellholders,


    for Ammomaster, etc, and slip in shellholders for regular presses


    Also have some for big LEE Classic and Smart Reloader presses..


    A 378 WEA MAG in picture for comparison...




    Second is stacks of 416 HSM, about a third fireformed


    and the rest to be fireformed... So far total about 1700, Ed













    Ed Hubel

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    Bob Snapp, 90, the great Gun Craftsman, of


    Clare, Michigan, passed away Jan 28th....


    He was an esteemed member of the


    American Custom Gunmakers Guild,


    Being its president in 1992..He liked


    working with Martini Cadet singleshot rifles


    .Worked with guys testing armor long time ago.


    Maybe the 1st to do 20mm necked down to 50cal


    We lost a great friend,,,Ed
    Ed Hubel

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    Sorry to here about your friend, hope he had a good passing and may he rest in peace.
    There wasn't enough room in the boat.

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    .....




    It is possible rig up holders for many types setups.,


    About shellholder supply for big cases,


    RCBS and others make slip in holders for shotgun cases


    that can work or reworked for big rimmed rifle cases...


    Here are various sizes.......


    16ga-- .810" rim,........ 20ga-- .760" rim,....


    24ga-- .725" rim,....... 28ga .680" rim....


    Ch4d and Buffalo Arms also have these larger shellholders...




    We fireform the 416 HSM with 65 gr of medium speed


    surplus powder, with rest of case filled with farina


    and grits mix, with a play dough plug in the neck.


    It is loud, so we shoot it into big container through a barrel size


    size hole, so the sound is muffled, so it doesn't deafen us..




    It is great getting more companies making 416 caliber bullets,


    long target and bore rider bullets. Ed..






    ....
    Ed Hubel

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    Wonder if a PTRD with 5 ft long barrel is stable enough


    for ELR , rebarrel to 416 and use our 416 HSM, 500 gr bullet ....


    .Here is up north guy using 585 HE in a PTRD with inserts,


    Light load.....Inserts are in the shape of the 14.5mm case....




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyab...ature=youtu.be




    HERE ia video, 585 Hubel Express and water jugs - slow motion


    750 gr with 155gr RE17, just a moderate load.....Ed




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAo1mJqw8Y
    Ed Hubel

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