That makes chow's the perfect watchdog too!Originally Posted by henmar77
What,s attractive about them? Let me see if this helps..they start off as cute puppies like thisuploadfromtaptalk1344190897341.jpguploadfromtaptalk1344190919098.jpgand grow up like this cuddley pit bull named Conan, belive it or not he was a mellow gentle lover, not the terror of the neighborhood by no meansuploadfromtaptalk1344191254533.jpg
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I agree with you guys, pits can be awesome with people but they have a completely different temperament around other animals. I do not trust them what so ever around my animals. I have had my dog around various other breeds including shepherds, dobies, rhodesians, name it and she has played with all of them. The only dogs ever to start fights with her are pits and an a english bulldog. Both breeds bred to fight.... just maybe not fight humans.
Both breeds were bred as working dogs, people took advantage of this aggresive attitude and placed the staffordshire into a fighting pit, hence the "pit" in pitbull. The "bull" comes from when the breeds work, like the bulldog was once bull baiting, two of the original cow dogs. The staffords were later bred for fighting. Sad how people screw a good thing, in short...they screwed the pooch.
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Mrfish62 from what i have learned over the years about pit behavior and it is owners who raise their dogs strickly for fighting create a bad bloodline through vigorous fight training methods and feeding methods that are cruel and inhuman to create a bad a$$ fighting pit and that will be geneticlly passed down to there siblings which will turn out to have bad temperment that will be imbedded in there genes, i would suggest anyone who is considering to own a pit someday not to aquire one from a fighting bloodline its like owning an owning a loaded AK47 with an unstabel saftey lock, its only a matter of time before u find yourself in a bad confrontaion u will regret with other dog owners or somebody getting bit or attacked, these kind owners are not dog lovers at all, its all about having the badest pit on the block, these type of owners have no regard to public safety and other dog owners when it comes to walking their breed of dogs around the block which the resaults are usally a bad confrontaion with other dogs and there owners, sad butt true.
when i first became a pit owner hear in San Jose, Ca. in the late 80's there was major controversy with pits and pit owners and the public because of numurous attacks and deaths from pits, so i realized i was taking on a breed with a very bad rep. and public anomosity, i felt a lot of pressure back then owning a pit and did everything possible to train my dogs to have outstanding behavior when out in the communitey dealing with people and other pets with no confrontations.
i also built a indoor-outdoor pit escape proof kennel, on the outside it was a fully enclosed super thick gauge fence encluding the top that was bite and crush proof so they could never jump out or escape. the bottom borders of the fence kenel i had 1 foot blocks burried so they could never dig out and escape from under the fence, when i would leave home i never worried about my dogs getting on the loose, i would never want to come home and find out one of my dogs escaped and attacked someones dog while walking or attacked any people, i would be devistated.
training- i trained my dogs myself, i am no dog whisper but i had my dogs on finger snap commands believe it or not. i was very proud of my dogs behavior in public and so were they, my dogs showed consitant pride and behavoir like their owner me at all times and u can see it in the photos.
true story- so one day while walking my amstaff Mercedes downtown i came across a couple ( Mr. & Mrs. Daddy Rich ) with there two full grown german sheperds and we stopped to chat real quick and then their faces changed once they figured out my dog was a pit, they were not sure at first because the long tail and ears were not cropped, and then they stated how well behaved she was, while we were talking their two german sheperds were barking out of control in mercedes face withing 2 feet of each other while my dog was totaly calm and relaxed, to show off my trianing skills i unleashesd my pit in front of them while their dogs were still barking at her franticley from two feet away and she was just poised with no thought of retailiating or attacking there two uncontrolable shepards.
they where totally impressed with her demenor and were embaressed by there dogs behavior that had proffessional dog training. they asked who trained my dog i said myself they where more impressed.
so i believe pitbulls behavior at home or in public reflects their owners trainning good or bad, its not the dogs fault, like i said its all about owners responibillities as a pitbull owner to take these dogs very seriously, if u cant be responible do us all a favor then please dont aquire one, go out and get a TEA CUP POODEL, have a great day!.....tra
P.S. all i can say to you Mrfish is your neigbors are not responsible enough to be pit owners that is why your dog was attacked, by the way what was thier excuse for the dog getting loose and what are they going to do to prevent future escapes and attacks?
i hope u did a report against them so it is documented this way if anything happens in the future when their dog attacks agian dog contol and LEO can take the correct action to prevent it from ever happing again.
i still wish for your dog speedy recovery.....tra
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I believe dog was probably good archer. There are exceptions to everything and I have seen good pits before, but the majority aren't worth a damn. I am a deputy and it happened it my county. So the reporting it part was easy. I was able to do the report and send it to A.C. that night after I tended to my dog. The dog has prior incidents of attacking animals according to my neighbor, and believe it or not it came out of my partners yard when he wasn't home to get at my dog. I took the lady the bill last night and she tried to play the "well my dog had wounds too" well I'm sure it did, most animals/people don't just lay there while they are getting their a** kicked. I informed her I had multiple witness's and my dog didn't sound like the aggressor considering she was pinned under a truck trying to get away from her dog. When I got home my dog was all over me not letting me away from her side. The girlfriend found her under our bed (where she never sleeps) the next morning when she got up because she was so rattled from being attacked. Hopefully this wakes this lady up. She still acted like she may try and find a way to not pay the bill which is fine, I will make sure I will have the dog quarantined and and leave it up to A.C. to possibly euthanize the dog if this is in fact another documented case of this dog attacking to save someone the headache and financial pain later on. I can't afford to have my dog ruined and unable to hunt again because of people who don't tend to their animals correctly. I've spent too much time training her to have her where she is at now to have it all go down the drain because of some of our upstanding citizenry who see those animals as "cool".
Like i said before. Im pro-pitbull breed, but i agree with what your doing and the future action taken to protect yourself and others. hope it works out.
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Mrfish Thanks for the reply and the story i agree with u a 100%. well u took the right steps for sure, u sure have the right to do everything possible to try to prevent your dog from ever being attacked again like that.
there is no excuse for why their dog got loose and should take full blame and responsilbility for thier dogs actions just as if it was thier own kid. they dont know how to do pit proof protection to prevent thier dog from getting on the loose, thats the number 1# action u want to prevent as a pit owner that should be on all pit owners minds at all times present or not thier is no excuse from it ever happening, none at all, sorry dosent cut it either. they need to own up and pay up or turn on heat! man, i need to start a pit owners obidiance school to train the small majority that dont know the seriousness of owning and raising pits and makeing sure their dogs never excape it makes the rest of us look bad. have a great day Mrfish!....tra
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"small majority"?
IK13, not to be confrontational, but yes it is a small majority of Pit owners who have out of control dogs, but the ones you hear about are the ones that get out, and the ones which are agressive. It sounds like your experiences are the opposite of mine as I have never been around an agressive pit who could not be controlled. That does not mean I do not believe your experience is real. As with any out of control animal you cannot tolerate it, and must get it out of the gene pool.
Some of the points you have made previously are disturbing as this is a hunting forum. We constantly are under attack as hunters for a perception in the media that guns are part of the problem, when the real issue is the people behind the guns. To equate a breed with some dangerous dogs is the same as equating gun owners to the murders we hear about on the news everynight. Responsible owners do not put up with agressive dogs. I do own a pit bull. Ryder is my son's dog and I know that if he were to get agressive, I would not hesitate to have him put down, the same wat that if my son were to do wrong I would hold him accountable even if that meant he had to go to jail. To tell you the truth our miniture schnouser is much more agressive than our pit bull.
I know your opinions are your opinions, and I may not be able to change them, I just ask that you hold the owners accountable, and not stereotype an entire breed based upon some bad dogs.
These are my opinions and you may not be able to change them, I just ask that you do not stereotype me based upon murderers and criminals who also own guns.
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This is Ryder. We did not get him because he looked tough. My wife saw him and fell in love with him as a puppy because he was gentile, and soft tempered, and because as she put it "He was the cutest one there". I know I am biased, but when one of your friends is stereotyped you feel a need to defend them.
That being said, I do not put up with out of line behavior by my animals, and if he was agressive to other animals or people I would be sad, but I would not hesitate to put him down.
Stereotypes are dangerous, and their best use is to divide people and apply negative attributes to groups.
Not stereotyping, merely reflecting the patterns from what I see and hear, which as you pointed out is different than your experience. In my opinion the vast majority of pit owners do not put even a fraction of what's required for basic training for any breed, much less for a pit. And I'm not even talking about the idiots. Heck - most of the seemingly nice folks I meet with their dogs can't even teach 'em to walk on a leash.
Exactly, this is a hunting forum. Pitbulls are not hunting dogs (someone will chime in how their pit retrieved ducks and chased rabbits, it doesn't change the fact).
On the other hand - this thread was started by a hunter, who's hunting dog was a victim of an unprovoked pitbull attack. The owner also happens to be a deputy and did hint that he had seen this in his line of work as well.
The parallel you draw with guns does not apply. There's a formal screening for gun ownership (and in about 3 weeks I will be reminded that it doesn't always work). There is no screening for pit owners. And yes - I have guns, but I sure don't want my ( nice) neighbor to sport a nerve gas collection in his basement.
[QUOTE=IK13;2341150]Not stereotyping, merely reflecting the patterns from what I see and hear, which as you pointed out is different than your experience. In my opinion the vast majority of pit owners do not put even a fraction of what's required for basic training for any breed, much less for a pit. And I'm not even talking about the idiots. Heck - most of the seemingly nice folks I meet with their dogs can't even teach 'em to walk on a leash.
Exactly, this is a hunting forum. Pitbulls are not hunting dogs (someone will chime in how their pit retrieved ducks and chased rabbits, it doesn't change the fact).
Actually that does change the "fact". If in fact that is fact at all. Just because you label a labador as a "hunting dog" and yours might come from several other generations of dogs that were breed to hunt, doesn't mean that yours will. That all can be changed in one generation. None of these breeds were created at the beginning of time. Some breeds are less then a hundred years old. The labador could easily be genetically changed or "breed" to be the "pitbull" and the Terrier breed to be the "lab or hunting dog? So who is to say which dog is a hunting dog? Its not worth "stereotyping" because you will always be wrong in the end. Blame the dog that bites you and his owner and leave it at that.
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henmar77,
What exactly are you arguing?
That pitbull is a hunting breed?
Or that there is no such thing as hunting breed?
Yes
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"Now then, take your weapons, your quiver and your bow, and go out to the field and hunt game for me"
IK13, hunting dog no hunting dog, what does it matter? That's just a label. Next you're going to say that I should not be able to have a schnouser as it serves no usefull sporting purpose. I use the firearm reference because it is a logical link in the same line of thinking. I should not have to prove my dog's usefullness to justify its existance.
MrFish, I apologize for the actions of that pit owner. Hopefully they Live up to their obligation as a pet owner, and are held accountable. Best wishes for your dogs recovers mental and physical
The "hunting dog" argument came out only to contradict your position, that since this is hunting forum, my oppinion of pit bulls is somehow not appropriate. You can't take it out of context.
It has nothing to do with justifying the existence of any breed whatsoever.
IK13 I am just following the logic. I accept that you and I will not agree on this issue. I am just trying to follow the logic and try to get the point across. That is also why tried to show the link in thinking between outlawing a breed based on bad experiences and outlawing guns based on criminal actions. The thought process is the same. I can appreciate your point of view, but I do not agree. My dog is a friend and a member of my family and as long as he stays loyal I will remain loyal. That's just how I am.
If you cannot see my point of view that is fine, you don't have to. That's what's so great about the USA.
APBTs used to be bred for one reason only, and that reason was COMBAT. As of lately, these dogs are bred for all sorts of stupid reasons, looks, dispostion, blahblah. The fact of the matter is, no matter how great a pet or whatever a pitbull type dog is, they all have some prey drive, and usually aggression. It is competly possible to put those instincts on the back burner, but they can always show back up. Even if one puppy in the litter shows up with no aggression issues, the next puppy in the litter can be a real mean dog, its just genetics.
I have a 40lb bitch who has been on sorts of quarry, and works with other dogs real well, ive also trusted 5children under the age of seven with that dog since they were all born. Definetly what i consider to be a great dog. But i dont turn a blind eye to this breeds history.
Not everyone should own a bull-type of dog, they are not for everyone, and not everyone can honestly handle one of these dogs AND keep them happy. There is WAYY to many stray pitbulls running around, and wayy too many people breeding these dogs every chance they get for a quick $200 a pup, its ridiculous. I support all shelters who put to sleep bull breeds immediently, not the ones who try to find them a loving home, or keep them locked in tiny kennels.
This is a dog who is meant for one reason. And 99% of folks dont have the slightest idea.
Once they ban hound hunting they are going to come after your bird hunting and your whitetail hunting, and pretty soon youll be getting fined for holding a largemouth bass by its bottom lip without supporting the rest of it weight, and then you wont be allowed to fish for LMB at all, and then theyll make fly fishing illegal. Pretty soon they wont allow you to own a dog or a cat, then no horses or cows. THERE ARE ORGINIZATIONS OUT THERE WHOS GOAL IS JUST THAT!!!!!
Hunters need to stand together to support our RIGHT to hunt, however you or i may choose too. Just because you dont see hound hunting morally correct, dosnt mean you should take that right away from everyone by banning it!
You ban one type of hunting, you help ban all hunting!
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Here's Mercedes and Dakar the best 2 dogs I ever owned uploadfromtaptalk1344430243084.jpguploadfromtaptalk1344430280501.jpguploadfromtaptalk1344430306164.jpg......tra
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I'm by no means a pit bull owner, but I think you're wrong Mr.Fish (although I'm terribly sorry about your dog getting attacked). I have literally never known a pit bull that was mean. In fact all of the pits I've known (about a dozen) have been the most loving, caring and gentle dogs I've ever met. Again I'm sorry you'r dog was attacked but if she were attacked by a poodle would you be saying the same thing? Think about it.
THE WORST DAY OF HUNTING OR FISHING IS BETTER THAN THE BEST DAY AT WORK
As soon as they start gaining momentum with certain types of hunting closures and bans, it will be all over. You will see more and more laws passed preventing certain types of hunting. Before you know it, all hunting will be banned in California. Then fishing. You may be against hunting with dogs but think for a minute where a ban will lead. Just my 2 cents.
Also an interesting article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15755870...e-vicious-too/
I probably would duckfever, yet it is pits that I have always had problems with at work and in my off time. Yet to meet a rowdy poodle :) Just to top it off, the owner of the dog skipped town the day after I talked to her about the $62 vet bill.....class act I tell ya.....
I knew right when this was posted it was going to be a hot thread. I can see both sides of the story and I've only known one aggressive pit and she was not raised right.
THE WORST DAY OF HUNTING OR FISHING IS BETTER THAN THE BEST DAY AT WORK
i have 3 friends that are vets. I called each one after reading this thread. They all gave the dogs a thumbs down. I figure they see as many dogs as anyone and would know best.
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