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    Got this in my junk mail folder today from Assemblymember Das Williams in response to an email I sent him asking him to leave Dan Richards alone. Guess who I'll never be voting for?

    Thank you for contacting me
    regarding your opposition to the removal of Dan Richards from the Fish and Game
    Commission.


    The people of California have
    granted the mountain lion special protection through the passage of Prop 117.
    This law is representative of California’s collective values, and the people of
    California rightly expect that officials entrusted with the protections and
    management of our fish and wildlife will carry out their duties with respect for
    our state’s laws. Commissioner Richards’ actions have raised serious questions
    about whether he respects the laws of the people of California and whether he is
    fit to adequately enforce those laws.


    Although we disagree on this
    issue, thank you for taking the time to contact me. Please continue to keep me
    apprised of your views on this or any other state issue of importance to
    you.


    Sincerely,

    DAS
    WILLIAMS
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    So his devotion to California law is questionable because he lawfully went to another state and killed an animal legal to kill in that State?

    At what point do we just flush all of the libs down the toliet and start over?

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    Although we disagree on this
    issue, thank you for taking the time to contact me. Please continue to keep me
    apprised of your views on this or any other state issue of importance to
    you.
    The fish and game commission is a political appointed committee and they are the ones who are making these unfunded mandates.
    Instead of wasting his time trying to deal with matters best left to the CA DFG and wildlife biologists, maybe he should focus on his first sworn duty as an elected legislator and try and balance the states budget? It's not much to ask, but obviously too much for the currently dem led legislature...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullfrog 31581 View Post
    So his devotion to California law is questionable because he lawfully went to another state and killed an animal legal to kill in that State?

    At what point do we just flush all of the libs down the toliet and start over?
    Apparently and sadly so... No California or other states laws were broken. A courtesy lib flush would be nice wouldn't it? It's getting a little stinky around here...

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    Translation: I want my dad in that seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullfrog 31581 View Post
    So his devotion to California law is questionable because he lawfully went to another state and killed an animal legal to kill in that State?

    At what point do we just flush all of the libs down the toliet and start over?

    Just being devil's advocate here, but prositution is legal in Peru --- so why did we fire the secret service officers?
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    Kalifornia uber Alles!


    (for non-German speakers it means "Kalifornia above all others"...kinda what the AssemblyCritter was implying)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Just being devil's advocate here, but prositution is legal in Peru --- so why did we fire the secret service officers?
    Under US law, you are responsible for following US laws wherever you go in the world. Even in a foreign country you are required to follow US law or be prosecuted upon your return. For example: Child molesting is illegal in the US. Anyone who goes overseas to engage in sexual acts with a child can be prosecuted upon return to the US even if those acts are legal in the foreign country. Note that this does not give you additional rights in a foreign country, you have follow TWO SETS of laws when you travel overseas.

    Since prostitution is illegal in the US, any US citizen engaged in that activity has broken US law and can be prosecuted for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post
    Under US law, you are responsible for following US laws wherever you go in the world. Even in a foreign country you are required to follow US law or be prosecuted upon your return. For example: Child molesting is illegal in the US. Anyone who goes overseas to engage in sexual acts with a child can be prosecuted upon return to the US even if those acts are legal in the foreign country. Note that this does not give you additional rights in a foreign country, you have follow TWO SETS of laws when you travel overseas.

    Since prostitution is illegal in the US, any US citizen engaged in that activity has broken US law and can be prosecuted for it.

    just being devil's advocate again, if what you say is true, shouldn't the President of the CA F&G Commission follow CA laws when he leaves the state? It is a wonder Gov. Brown hasn't pressed charges for killing a lion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post

    Since prostitution is illegal in the US, any US citizen engaged in that activity has broken US law and can be prosecuted for it.
    Is Nevada another country?
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    This is what I got, and I thought mine was bad:


    Dear Mr. Carretta:

    Thank you for contacting my office regarding Dan Richards, President of the California Fish and Game Commission. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.
    As you know, the protection of mountain lions was approved by the California voters in 1990 and the animals are off limits to hunters in this state. That said, this activity is legal in the state of Idaho where Mr. Richards’s took part in the killing of a mountain lion, however, he is under scrutiny for this activity here in California.

    You are probably aware, Mr. Richards was appointed by Governor Schwarzenegger. His current term with the Fish and Game Commission expires on January 15, 2013. If Mr. Richards does not resign prior to this time, Governor Jerry Brown has the opportunity to either appoint or reappoint a commissioner at that time.

    I have heard your concerns regarding this issue. Please be assured I will keep your views in mind as we move forward. Thank you again for your correspondence. If I can be of any assistance in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.

    Respectfully,

    WESLEY CHESBRO
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    I truly think this is wrong for them to do. So the next time i see a cop in california talking on the cell phone while driving or breaking any law even while off duty. he is to be asked to quit because he is breaking laws. POLOTICS HUH

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    At least my Reps have their head on straight. Here's one reply to my email..

    Dear Craig:

    Thank you for writing to me in support of Dan Richards in his position as the President of the California Fish and Game Commission. I appreciate the opportunity to hear your thoughts on this matter. I absolutely agree with you, that is why I authored a letter in his support. Attached you will find a copy of the letter.
    California is better served when people like you take the time to make sure we have adequate information on these issues. An informed and engaged citizenry is important to effective government in our Golden State.
    Once again, thank you for taking the time to make sure I understand your opinion. It is very important that I understand your views.

    Please do not hesitate to call me at 619-596-3136 if there is ever anything I can do for you. Thank you.
    Sincerely,-Joel

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    The Honorable John Perez, Assembly Speaker State Capitol, Room 219 Sacramento, CA 95814

    Dear Gentlemen:

    We, the undersigned, write in support of Dan Richards in his position as the President of the California Fish & Game Commission.
    Mr. Richards has served Californians for over three years on the Commission. He takes very seriously the Commission’s mission “to ensure the long term sustainability of California’s fish and wildlife resources,” and has a strong track record of balancing the concerns of all parties interested in conservation of those resources.
    Mr. Richards position has been threatened by some members of the legislature because he recently followed and obeyed the hunting laws of California and Idaho. The actions taken by Mr. Richards, for which he is currently under fire, were perfectly legal.
    Removing Mr. Richards from his position as a result of these actions is not just wrong, it’s completely illogical. If we were to consistently apply this logic, the next time the CHP Commissioner is traveling in Nevada and drives 75 miles per hour (the legal speed limit on many freeways in that state), he should be fired because California’s maximum speed limit of 70 miles per hour.
    I encourage you, as leaders of the majority party, to make sure that cooler heads prevail over political correctness.
    Sincerely,


    Joel Anderson Senator

    I also received a letter from my other Senator and his response was pretty much the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newhunter77 View Post
    I truly think this is wrong for them to do. So the next time i see a cop in california talking on the cell phone while driving or breaking any law even while off duty. he is to be asked to quit because he is breaking laws. POLOTICS HUH


    IN CA peace officers can legally drive without wearing a seat belt while using a cell phone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post
    Under US law, you are responsible for following US laws wherever you go in the world. Even in a foreign country you are required to follow US law or be prosecuted upon your return. For example: Child molesting is illegal in the US. Anyone who goes overseas to engage in sexual acts with a child can be prosecuted upon return to the US even if those acts are legal in the foreign country. Note that this does not give you additional rights in a foreign country, you have follow TWO SETS of laws when you travel overseas.

    Since prostitution is illegal in the US, any US citizen engaged in that activity has broken US law and can be prosecuted for it.
    Could you reference the source of your information that states U.S. citizens are required to follow all US laws while out of the country. Nowhere can I find what you say as required anywhere under the rights and responsibilities of a US citizen. You cite a poor example with child molesting, just because it happens in other countries doesn't mean it's legal there. Are people with dual citizenship living overseas also required to follow US law, how confusing for them. Also, should anyone under 21 who drinks overseas (last I remember US military bases overseas followed in-country drinking laws, such as age) or drives as fast as they can on the autobahn be cited upon entering the US? Faulty logic.

    The problem here is the secret sevicemen have security clearances and have potentially made themselves vulnerable. They may have directly or indirectly made known who they were, the reason they were there, or any other information that may have compromised the safety of the President. Then there's always the threat of blackmail for information from hanging out with the wrong kind of people. The possiblilities are endless and this is why a secret serviceman with a higher security clearance must avoid these situations. I imagine it's clearly defined in the responsibilities of their job that they must live to a higher standard. If your a normal citizen and you want, then go conquer all the red light districts on earth. The US will welcome you back with open arms.

    In regards to child molestation, I did find that illicit sexual conduct with a minor is extraterritorial to US citizens, as it should be, just like murder, but this situation most likely does not involve minors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post
    Under US law, you are responsible for following US laws wherever you go in the world.
    Since prostitution is illegal in the US, any US citizen engaged in that activity has broken US law and can be prosecuted for it.

    Are you sure prostitution is illegal under US law, I don't think so! It is illegal under most state and local laws, but in a few areas of the US it is legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Are you sure prostitution is illegal under US law, I don't think so! It is illegal under most state and local laws, but in a few areas of the US it is legal.
    It's legal in certain areas of Nevada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    IN CA peace officers can legally drive without wearing a seat belt while using a cell phone!
    Well that sucks i hope we pay for them to train in the academy on how to drive and talk on the cell phone at the same lol. so i take it if they are involved in an accident due to talking on the cell phone while driving (off duty or on duty) and were to injure or fatally injure someone they would not be guilty of any crime.

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