Lion surprize in the A22! Puma, mountain lion
With the A22 opener one week away, look who shows up on my trial camera. To the left is the full picture. To the right a blow up of my new unwanted hunting partner.
Question to the CDGF: How am I suposed to defend myself walking into my tree stand at 4 AM when according to you I can't carry a side arm?
Your thoughts?
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Last edited by twacker; 08-27-2011 at 01:52 PM.
Good question. Good luck.
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That is precisely why I won't archery hunt in CA. Take away my chance to defend myslef, no thanks. And I don't really care about the so called logic behind the law. Poachers will be poachers regardless of what law abiding citizens do.
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I wounder what the odds are and how many hunters are attacked or people in the wild verses, getting bit by a shark or catching swine flu and so on and so on. I would say slim chance, you cant live a sheltered life, its to short. Everybody needs to suck up and quit Bitching about the cats in California and get out there and hunt.
I wonder what would happen to the odds if you went swimming at night in 20' of water in front of a seal colony?
I have been stalked by a lion once before while bow hunting and I didn't like the experience. Three peeps have died in the last few years in SoCal by lions and several more attacked. A bow hunter can pack in most other states but Kalifornia. So what's wrong with taking another look at the no-carry law. Is that bitching?
Last edited by twacker; 08-27-2011 at 04:45 PM.
Im with Slanttop! Go into the woods! Let the thought of a lion hit and all the other wonders be aprt of the experience! I bet it never happens! Like getting hit by lightning or hit by whitey the shark.....
If its concealed.... you finish the sentence. My life is more important than the fine anyways
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At 4:00am in morning, if a lion attacks, your dead anyways. Gun, bow, or Sherman Tank. You'll never hear it coming. Let's face it, your chances of are like a million times greater that you'll get killed in a car accident on the way to your spot than by lion. Truth be known, you've walked by plenty of lions you didn't know about. Just cause you caught a pic on your game cam now, doesn't mean he hasn't always been there. ...That's why your still here today.
Last edited by Farmerdoug; 08-27-2011 at 04:49 PM.
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+1Originally Posted by jdjtexas
Let us know how many years you have been hunting in California ?
Every year since 1977.
I have seen tons of video of lion kills on deer. None of those animals died quickly. If you read the account of Anne Hjelle, the 30 year old woman who was attacked in Orange County in 2007, though the lion's attack was sudden and brutal she clearly describes her attempts to fight back as the lion ripped up her face and neck. Minutes went by before the lion attempted to drag her off into the brush but was repelled by a friend. Lions do not kill quickly most of the time. In an attack there would be plenty of time to unsheath one's pistol and pop the sucker. l wonder how different Ms. Hjelle's face might look today if she had that option.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in592433.shtml
As far as the potential fine for carying a concealed weapon while archery hunting goes: Who needs that. Again I ask, what's wrong with changing the law? Game wardens aren't stupid. They can tell the differnce between a gun shot wound and a broadhead. And who said anything about concealing it. If I'm wearing it I want it handy. Risking a fine??? That's crazy! Up to $5,000.00, six months in jail and loss of hunting priveledges just because you want to protect yourself? Com'on man?
Last edited by twacker; 08-27-2011 at 10:55 PM.
More people are killed every year by cats than in a ten year period by sharks. most of the time people are bit by a shark then spit out. we need to be able to carry pistols. Cougars don't give up.
Chance of dying from being bitten by a dog: 1 in 700,000
From contact with a venomous animal or plant: 1 in 3,441,325
From being bitten or struck by mammals (other than dogs or humans): 1 in 4,235,477
From a mountain lion attack in California: 1 in 32 million
From a shark attack: 1 in 300 million
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...z1c22odds.html
Last edited by Farmerdoug; 08-27-2011 at 08:05 PM.
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A Sunday school teacher asked, "Johnny, do you think Noah did a lot of fishing when he was on the Ark ?"
"No," replied Johnny. "How could he, with just two worms."
Cool pics. We had a cat watching us from some rocks about 300yds away while carrying out our 2 deer last year in SD county. We just kept walking. Cat was probably thinking pretty hard if it wanted to tangle with 3 dudes to try to get some venison. I guess it figured it would try for an easier target, and stick to what it does best, Ambush.
Another time a buddy and I were going out to do some Bobcat calling in D13. We walked right past this big bush on the side of the trail on our way to stand. We ended up setting up about 60yds from the bush, up on a little rise. After I started calling my buddy noticed some movement under this bush. There was a Mama Lion with her almost grown cub just laying there watching us. We had a 10min staring contest then they decided to slink out of there. Funny how we walked within 10-15' of them without knowing it. This is in an area where I kick brush for quail, I have actually had quail come out of this bush before! I can just imagine how exciting things would have gotten if I was quail hunting instead.
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My bro and I were stalked by a lion last year in the Trinity Alps while sitting a game trail. I just happened to stand up to stretch my legs and there was a lion crouched behind a bush ( that I later ranged at 9 yards) when the cat realized what I was it took off but I am convinced that if I stayed seated on the ground that lion would have attacked. Pretty eery to make eye contact with mt. lion at such a close distance. I told the story to a few DFG employees and a game warden when getting my bear tag signed off that year and they all agreed that the no sidearm during archery law is one of the worst. I didn't even mention it to them they brought it up. The warden said between the lions, having the largest black bear population in the lower 48, and the pot growers the law should be changed. He did also mention it would add a bit of unwanted danger to his job as well.
Alaska is the only state I can think of that allows, even recommends, archery hunters carry a sidearm during archery season. You're taking a MUCH bigger chance every time you drive down HWY 8 in your car.
I'm not saying your concern isn't warranted, trust me I've though about a lion jumping on my back more than once during those 4AM solo hikes into the SOCAL backcountry.
Cool picture by the way, thanks for sharing.
Last edited by weekender21; 08-27-2011 at 10:32 PM.
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Don't forget to marinate yourself in doe urine as well...
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About the same odds as winning the lottery, BUT someone always does sooner or later.
I always laugh at the statistics that the "experts" put out. They base their numbers on the entire population instead of the number of people who are actually exposed to the possibilities. I don't think I'm likely to get bitten by a shark, since I don't go into the ocean. Yet, I am included in the odds that are "created". People who never venture into the outdoors are VERY unlikely to encounter a mountain lion, yet they are counted in the odds of an attack. PLEASE...get real.
Having said that....I will NOT let the "odds" (whatever they might be) deter me from hunting. If my number is up, it's up. I KNOW there are cats, not to mention bears, in my hunting area, yet MOST of my hunting is done solo....
Good luck and safe hunting to all.
Last edited by MULEY51; 08-28-2011 at 03:39 PM.
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johnogle,
Where are you getting your informatio? Cite the specific section if you will.
This conversation directly applies to the famous 2nd amendment statement, " I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
An Armed Society Makes For A More Civilized Society
Amen brother
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If you are not working to protect hunting, then you are working to destroy it. -Fred Bear
Go afield with a good attitude, with respect for the wildlife you hunt and for the forest and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person.-Fred Bear
Oh, seeing long tail? Well, I have seen 3 in D13 by myself, then the two with DDave, oh, does Coal Canyon count? I have had two greet me in there and then there was the time, in can't see anything fog, that two were doing the 'beast with two backs' thing-SCREAMING LIKE CRAZY. Oh, then down in Caspers, I talked to the lady at the gate who told me, 'in ten years of working here I have never seen a mountain lion. So I travel about a half mile in the park to the horse corral and what do I see across the stream under the bushes licking it's lips? LONGTAIL!!!
Back in the Spring I started a thread (What do you carry?) just for this reason, running into Uniroyal while scouting, hiking, and fishing. The number of post with encounters seems to be on the rise this year. I would prefer to go down fighting with a side-arm!
Buck Crazy
PLUS ONE!
Farmerdoug has an opinion that he is comfortable with. His opinion doesn't make me feel any safer walking into my treestand next Saturday. I know I would feel safer if I was wearing a piece. The constitution, which supersedes the CDFG code, protects my rite to choose this option. Its not about whether or not I would survive a fight with a lion (although I like my chances a lot better with a Glock), its about my rite to protect myself in a way that is protected by federal law. When the state contradicts that law the citizens have a rite to protest and attempt to overturn the unjust law.
Frankly, I'm dismayed that the main tenet of this thread (bow hunters being aloud to carry) is meeting so much resistance from those I consider ideological partners and friends in the hunting community.
John,
I see natural selection at work here. At present, only the more adventuresome hunters will get their deer. It would be breaking the laws of nature if we exterminate the Cougars so that the less adventuresome can hunt.
Shooting the Cougars that are protected by the Mountain Lion Initiative is not feasible. If we challenge the voters of California, they will ban hunting all together.
We are not talking about livestock here, we are talking about us sneaking around in the dark while the lions are hunting.
Map,
I'm going hunting unarmed into lion habitat this season just like I've always done. I like the fact that lions exist in our ecosystem. I don't want them exterminated. I just want to have the added protection while bow hunting.
The voters may ban hunting in Kalifornia in the future whether we want to carry or not. Is it a good strategy to sit on our hands and do nothing while they scheme to eliminate our sport? We need to start picking our fights on legal grounds.
I would stay out of the woods if I were you. To dangerous.Give me gps cords and I'll pick up your camera for you.No sense in both of us risking our lives.
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