Was talking to a buddy the other day and he asked why we don't have Coues in CA. I had never thought about it, especially since I am totally unfamiliar with the desert regions of CA. What say you all?
He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Matt 16:15
we don't have the habitat. You need Sonoran desert habitat, not Mojave. You need high desert mountain ranges with oaks, mesquite, cat claw, saguaro, barrel cactus, cholla, prickly pear, interspersed with some grass too. Our desert mountain ranges aren't high enough and are probably too arid as we don't get the summer monsoons like the Sonoran desert. If you've seen coues deer country, it looks nothing like our deserts. Our deserts look like moonscape compared to good AZ or NM coues deer country.
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted..." Jose Ortega y Gasset
Nate, I am impressed with your grasp of the different types of southwestern deserts...
Are you sure you weren't a range management major in college?
I believe you answeed a question that was on my Rangeland Ecology final exam way back then....
"There’s a land where the mountains are nameless,
And the rivers all run god knows where;
There are lives that are erring and aimless,
And deaths that hang by a hair….
There’s a land – oh, it beckons and beckons,
And I want to go back – and I will"
Robert Service
I understand completely now. Especially having driven through Arizona a couple of years ago and going through some serious rain storms in July.
He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Matt 16:15
Lets transplant a dozen in the hills behind my house and see how they do. I'll plant a few food plots and I'll bet they'll take off. Kidding aside, I'd bet they'd survive in the New York Mts. By the way SDHNTR, I was impressed too. Ed F
Better question, why no Javelina? They eat anything and live everywhere in AZ, including right up to the rim of the Grand Canyon.
I've always wondered the same thing Coues. It must be because they can't swim the Colorado River with all the drunk boat traffic. I know a few who have caught baby Javalina and kept them as pets... in Ca. But never heard of them in the wild. BOHNTR might know of some as he used to live in Blythe. I know where there are some wild hogs in Az. Don't know if thery are Ca hogs though. Interesting stuff. Ed F
I think javies would be more adaptable than the deer for sure, but I still can't see them thriving out here for the same reasoning as the coues. If deserts can be lush, the central to eastern AZ deserts are way more lush than our Mojave terrain. More prickly pear, a lot more roots and bulbs for them to scrape up, and do we even have shin dagger out here? I dont think I've seen it. I read somewhere that most of a javelina's diet consists of various types of tubers that they root up. I don't think any tuber would grow in the Mojave. It's too dry. Ultimately I just don't think there is enough plant diversity or food for them here. I'm no biologist though so I'd love to hear a real explanation.
Coues, to my knowledge they don't live out near Yuma. That area is more typical of most So Cal desert habitat. Sparse.
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted..." Jose Ortega y Gasset
pretty simple dudes, fess and the crew from san manuel dont live or guide out here ,so, you,d never see them...
It's probably better we dont have javies or coues, if we did "KALIFORNIA" would find some way of not letting us hunt them. Some law would pass saying that they were endangered and un huntable in this area, blah,blah,blah.
Are there any whitettail deer at all in Ca?
No whitetails officially. You do hear the occasional rumor of some up along the northern borders.
He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Matt 16:15
Theirs alot and I mean alot of white tail in Cali. Mainly in L.A, O.C and S.D
Hogassasin,
I second that, just the other day i was scoutin up some white tail in Souther Cali and man did they have nice racks. Too bad my hunting license got revoked about 8 yrs ago otherwise i'd have mounted one of those..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SDHNTR @ Jun 18 2008, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>we don't have the habitat. You need Sonoran desert habitat, not Mojave. You need high desert mountain ranges with oaks, mesquite, cat claw, saguaro, barrel cactus, cholla, prickly pear, interspersed with some grass too. Our desert mountain ranges aren't high enough and are probably too arid as we don't get the summer monsoons like the Sonoran desert. If you've seen coues deer country, it looks nothing like our deserts. Our deserts look like moonscape compared to good AZ or NM coues deer country.[/b]
No way!You had to be looking at a book or something to come up with that off the top of yo head....
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Of the top of my bald head Bubba!
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted..." Jose Ortega y Gasset
That's my buddy!
Even if he doesn't know the answer, he'll throw some intellectual-sounding BS out there to see if it sticks.
Nate, what is the nutrional value of chamise?
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"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted..." Jose Ortega y Gasset
DDDAAaaaMmmNnnn, NATE! You are probably he only one that paid any attention out here!
Not really, not even I could take credit for that one!
Matt, we just might take credit for yours though, thanks Bro!
In all hunting there is an element of luck to be reckoned with. Fred Bear 1964
When I lived in Blythe, there were two javelina killed on this side of the River south of Plao Verde. It put the local warden and biologist into a frenzy wondering how they got here. Seems a few Palo Verde residents had caught them as little ones in AZ and released them illegally.....hoping to start their own "herd". Could they survive in the mountains south of Blythe near the river....yes. But they'll never make it across the river, IMO.
The closest I've seen them to CA "naturally" were in the Kofa Range near Ouartzsite......and there's not many of them there.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (One Track @ Jun 20 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>That's my buddy!
Even if he doesn't know the answer, he'll throw some intellectual-sounding BS out there to see if it sticks.
Nate, what is the nutrional value of chamise?[/b]
In reality, the Cous deer is VERY conservative, likes freedom and doesn't like to be in the limelight so they are extremely anti-Kalifornia....that's why they stay away from it
Bohuntr, I'm surprised there are even any javis in the Kofas. It gets pretty sparse out there, the kind of country that only a few desert sheep, mule deer and the lions that eat them can survive in.
And of course, coyotes.
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