Witch-hunt Time

[castor]

"WASHINGTON – Worried that the Army may have missed red flags about the alleged shooter in the Fort Hood massacre, the Pentagon probably will open an inquiry into how all the military services keep watch on other volatile soldiers hidden in their ranks, officials said Tuesday."

Witch-hunt time. Roll out the sacrificial lambs as the politicos stake out career enhancing territory.

[Common Sense]

Witch Hunt? 13 people died.

[Caninelaw]

Originally Posted by Common Sense

Witch Hunt? 13 people died.

Yeah, sounds like someone else was on the "hunt" already.

[easymoney]

National security is paramount and if PC excuses were used to ignore all of the warning signs that have surfaced by coworkers, fellow military and his walter reed records, this muslim terrorist exhibited openly, then an investigation is in order...
Heads should roll.

[BelchFire]

Amen, Easy.

[MULEY51]

Faith...is that you?

[castor]

Originally Posted by easymoney

National security is paramount and if PC excuses were used to ignore all of the warning signs that have surfaced by coworkers, fellow military and his walter reed records, this muslim terrorist exhibited openly, then an investigation is in order...
Heads should roll.

No. The Constitution is paramount, always has been and always should be. That and the rule of law. The gun lobby, which I have supported since the early 60's, has always said that freedom is not free. The biggest cost is that we should stay free even when enemies try to force free man to become so fearful they trade freedom for safety. Mao-Tse Tung taught that all that was necessary to defeat the west was to make it so afraid that it lost its freedoms. Just look at how close Osama bin Laden has come to accomplishing that? He panicked George Bush into massive overkill. Bin Laden won on 9-11 because George Bush gave it to him.

Read my initial quote. The Pentagon is starting a race, religion and beliefs based witch-hunt to cover ass. Good career guys will lose everything they have worked for all their lives because their skin is the wrong color, they worship in the wrong church or they hold an opinion from which somebody can make hay.

If you don't like living in freedom that's ok. Its still a free country - of sorts - where you can believe what you want - within limits. It won't be for much longer if you are right and (quote) "National security is paramount." Nazi Germany protected itself from the Jews very efficiently.

ThiMk.

IMO.

[Kit Fox]

Originally Posted by castor

No. The Constitution is paramount, always has been and always should be. That and the rule of law. The gun lobby, which I have supported since the early 60's, has always said that freedom is not free. The biggest cost is that we should stay free even when enemies try to force free man to become so fearful they trade freedom for safety. Mao-Tse Tung taught that all that was necessary to defeat the west was to make it so afraid that it lost its freedoms. Just look at how close Osama bin Laden has come to accomplishing that? He panicked George Bush into massive overkill. Bin Laden won on 9-11 because George Bush gave it to him.

Read my initial quote. The Pentagon is starting a race, religion and beliefs based witch-hunt to cover ass. Good career guys will lose everything they have worked for all their lives because their skin is the wrong color, they worship in the wrong church or they hold an opinion from which somebody can make hay.

If you don't like living in freedom that's ok. Its still a free country - of sorts - where you can believe what you want - within limits. It won't be for much longer if you are right and (quote) "National security is paramount." Nazi Germany protected itself from the Jews very efficiently.

ThiMk.

IMO.

Apparently you are misinformed.

A nation in fear of being seen as anti-Muslim - Analysis, Opinion - Independent.ie

*Anti-CAIR* Defending America from the Council on American-Islamic Relations

[bulldogdad]

With this administration this supposed witch hunt will be a empty shell of an investigation. It will all be for show just like everything else Obama does that seems rational. A magic trick with mirrors designed to shift our focus from the real damage Obama and his ilk are committing against this country. The Army Chief of Staff has no balls and is still in denial to deal with this situation for what it really is an infiltration by our Armed Services by the enemy "Soldiers of Allah" ; the JIHAD is here. When the sleepers awake the nightmare becomes reality. Time to find the cancer and cut it out. Remember the USA is considered the Great Satan by true believers and we AMERICANS are the apostates that must be destroyed. WE BETTER WAKE UP AND SMELL THE CARDAMOM!!!

[easymoney]

I am free because of the Constitution and because ofthose doing their job providing national security.
I am also safe in knowing that because of my own guns and the ability to protect my family that I am the one ultimately responsible.
Back on topic, this president and his appointed admin have an liberal agenda that IMHO does not take our national securit seriously. Obama is a poser who can read a speach from a telepromter well but lacks the cahones to lead this nation like a real president.

[castor]

Originally Posted by Kit Fox

Apparently you are misinformed.

A nation in fear of being seen as anti-Muslim - Analysis, Opinion - Independent.ie

*Anti-CAIR* Defending America from the Council on American-Islamic Relations

You might be correct. Tell me why? I am warning against what could happen based on what America has done in the past.

[castor]

Originally Posted by easymoney

Back on topic, this president and his appointed admin have an liberal agenda that IMHO does not take our national securit seriously. Obama is a poser who can read a speach from a telepromter well but lacks the cahones to lead this nation like a real president.

You are off topic. If you want to start an anti-Obama rant please feel free. But it is off-topic here. The topic here is whether Washington DC is starting a witch hunt for Muslims. It's been done before in DC - Joe McCarthy did it in the 1950's.

Read post #1.

[Common Sense]

Originally Posted by castor

You are off topic. The topic here is whether Washington DC is starting a witch hunt

Castor; It ain't a "witch-hunt" if there really is a witch. I don't know if there is a witch or not, but I reckon the scores of people shot at Ft. Hood and their families think there is a witch. And if the witch is Muslim, so be it, we have a right to know. If the witch ain't Muslim, we should know that too.

[D3Lifer]

Originally Posted by castor

You are off topic. If you want to start an anti-Obama rant please feel free. But it is off-topic here. The topic here is whether Washington DC is starting a witch hunt for Muslims. It's been done before in DC - Joe McCarthy did it in the 1950's.

Read post #1.

Joe McCarthy was right.

[castor]

Originally Posted by D3Lifer

Joe McCarthy was right.

[castor]

Originally Posted by Common Sense

Castor; It ain't a "witch-hunt" if there really is a witch. I don't know if there is a witch or not, but I reckon the scores of people shot at Ft. Hood and their families think there is a witch. And if the witch is Muslim, so be it, we have a right to know. If the witch ain't Muslim, we should know that too.

No you don't. Other peoples' religion is none of the government's business. Read the Constitution of the USA.

[Common Sense]

Originally Posted by castor

No you don't. Other peoples' religion is none of the government's business. Read the Constitution of the USA.

I reckon ol' Janet Reno didn't read the Constitution before attacking the David Koresh compound down in Waco. Or just maybe the Constitution doesn't say religon is none of government's business?????????

[Bullfrog 31581]

No you don't. Other peoples' religion is none of the government's business. Read the Constitution of the USA.

Perhaps if you would have read it a little more closely, you would discover that NO WHERE does a person have a constitutional right to serve in the military. If the military wants to exlude radical muslims from military service, they have all the freedom in the world to. The Constitution doesn't make them accept or keep people who follow the ideology of the enemy. The military has every right to search its ranks and remove those who pose a serious risk by sympathizing with the enemy during a time of war.

[castor]

Originally Posted by Bullfrog 31581

Perhaps if you would have read it a little more closely, you would discover that NO WHERE does a person have a constitutional right to serve in the military. If the military wants to exlude radical muslims from military service, they have all the freedom in the world to. The Constitution doesn't make them accept or keep people who follow the ideology of the enemy. The military has every right to search its ranks and remove those who pose a serious risk by sympathizing with the enemy during a time of war.

1. "Time of war?" There is no war. That is why America keeps saying it can treat POW's any way it wants.

2. Being Muslim is neither illegal nor a sign of disloyalty. Any more than being black. Ask the president about being black.

There is a difference between legitimate investigations and racial or religious witch hunts.

[Common Sense]

Originally Posted by castor

There is a difference between legitimate investigations and racial or religious witch hunts.

Agreed; but who determines what is legitimate and what is illegitimate?

[BelchFire]

Originally Posted by castor

1. "Time of war?" There is no war. That is why America keeps saying it can treat POW's any way it wants.

2. Being Muslim is neither illegal nor a sign of disloyalty. Any more than being black. Ask the president about being black.

There is a difference between legitimate investigations and racial or religious witch hunts.

Ask the president about being Muslim while you're there.....

[easymoney]

And since when does being attacked multiples times by the same terror opponent not constitute war? We just have not offically declared it, because "war" is defined as is one nation against another and muslim terrorists sport many flags and come from all walks of life. That is the reason why this particular course of action against this particular enemy is tricky and sometimes out side the box. No one has forced the muslims do do what they are doing and their particular brand of warfare is called terror because it is an blanket attack against mass targets mainly civilan in order to wreak as much havoc and terror as possible. It can happen anywhere at any time using any type of weapon as long as it causes terror... They stap bombs on their children in order to blow their neighbors along with anyone else unfortunate to be there...
Many people have such strong PC ideas that war in any form is not an option, but reality dictates a different course. We can't all get along, as has been evidenced by historic record. Some nations go the offensive for imperialist reasons, some for religious, but only a fool would continue to turn the other cheek especially if being attacked at home and on civilians...

[dglover]

Our national security is the most important function of our government.

The military is responsible to provide that for our citizens. If they need to conduct a witch hunt to ensure the safety of its citizens. Then lets hunt some witches.

The second amendment is there to protect us from overzealous government if need be.

I am not advocating illegal search and seizure or violating the rights of citizens. But that is not what is going on here.

Where does the constitution say that we cannot defend our country from a radical group of religious extremists. You have the freedom to choose your religion and the government cannot behold itself to any given religion. However it does not say that if the religion you choose is being used as a front for the attacks on our country that we must ignore you and your religion.

In other words if we see a potential threat. Then sticking our heads in the sand so someone does not get offended is ridiculous.

The enemy is using our over the top need to be politically correct to everyone as a tool to kill our citizens.

We have the right to choose who is allowed to serve our country and who is not. Some people might get their feelings hurt in the process.

Oh well!

[airgun hunter]

Last time I checked the only thing an investigation hurts is the people trying to hide something. After having 13 people get killed I would say an investigation would be standard proceedure, and neccessary.

[dglover]

Originally Posted by airgun hunter

Last time I checked the only thing an investigation hurts is the people trying to hide something. After having 13 people get killed I would say an investigation would be standard proceedure, and neccessary.

Ahh the truth be told! You need to stop making sense and make all of your decisions based on emotion. Then you will be PC.

[castor]

Originally Posted by Common Sense

Agreed; but who determines what is legitimate and what is illegitimate?

History, after the fact. I am just expressing caution.

Why do so many guys leap to defend the government at the thought of expressing caution? Are they hopelessly statist? Is it wrong to criticize Big Government? I thought shooting sites were visited by guys who believe they have the right to bear arms to control Big Government? What I am reading is guys leaping to attack any suggestion that government needs to be controlled?

Many shooters today seem to have forgotten that freedom isn't free. They want absolute safety and security and they don't care what civil rights are sacrificed to make them feel safe. Its like the guys who say that you shouldn't be afraid of the state if you have nothing to fear. Just ask survivors of Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia.

[castor]

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[castor]

Originally Posted by easymoney

And since when does being attacked multiples times by the same terror opponent not constitute war? We just have not offically declared it, because "war" is defined as is one nation against another and muslim terrorists sport many flags and come from all walks of life. That is the reason why this particular course of action against this particular enemy is tricky and sometimes out side the box. No one has forced the muslims do do what they are doing and their particular brand of warfare is called terror because it is an blanket attack against mass targets mainly civilan in order to wreak as much havoc and terror as possible. It can happen anywhere at any time using any type of weapon as long as it causes terror... They stap bombs on their children in order to blow their neighbors along with anyone else unfortunate to be there...
Many people have such strong PC ideas that war in any form is not an option, but reality dictates a different course. We can't all get along, as has been evidenced by historic record. Some nations go the offensive for imperialist reasons, some for religious, but only a fool would continue to turn the other cheek especially if being attacked at home and on civilians...

All Muslims are not Muslim terrorists any more than all Christians are PFC Greens.

[castor]

Originally Posted by airgun hunter

Last time I checked the only thing an investigation hurts is the people trying to hide something. After having 13 people get killed I would say an investigation would be standard proceedure, and neccessary.

A criminal investigation is not a religious witch hunt. A criminal investigation does not need to ask what beliefs other people might have who were not involved in the offense just because they are of the same religion as the suspect. Nobody commenced an investigation of all Christians in the US military because of PFC Green.

US military personnel are allowed the same freedom of religion as everybody else. They should not have to suffer investigations and inquisitions solely because of their faith. America is not a Christian nation under the law. The US Constitution states in the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[dglover]

Originally Posted by castor

A criminal investigation is not a religious witch hunt. A criminal investigation does not need to ask what beliefs other people might have who were not involved in the offense just because they are of the same religion as the suspect. Nobody commenced an investigation of all Christians in the US military because of PFC Green.

US military personnel are allowed the same freedom of religion as everybody else. They should not have to suffer investigations and inquisitions solely because of their faith. America is not a Christian nation under the law. The US Constitution states in the First Amendment:

O.K. what does no law respecting a particular religion and prohibiting the exercise thereof have to do with selecting soldiers.

You cannot speak against the commander in chief while serving in the Military.

You can't even be insubordinate to your superiors. Without facing prosecution.

Would that be an infringement of the freedom of speech?

You are governed by the UCMJ.

You must distinguish between citizen and soldier they are not the same.

Once you take the oath you are sworn to protect the citizens but not given the exact same rights as all citizens due to the UCMJ.

It is a choice all soldiers make after all we are an all volunteer military.

You don't like it don't join. Being a soldier in the U.S. is a privilege not a right like freedom of religion.