Pics with no tags on the bucks in CA

[weekender21]

Jesse, that tag comment is an interesting one. If you fill out the tag and place it on your pack or on the ground while taking pictures, are you breaking the law? I almost never see in the field photos with tags on the antlers. I have personally placed the tag in my pocket while dragging an animal through thick brush to avoid losing the tag for good.

[Arrowslinger]

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I do want to point out that we DO NOT want to let things go that are illegal or highly unethical. Putting a tag on your deer is the law and the first thing you are supposed to do when you take possession of the animal. Someone posting pics of deer with no tags is not going to fly[/b]

Interesting statement!?!?!.......so I would go ahead and dump 98% of the animal pics here on the site then, including all mine.

[spectr17]

After thinking about that I mispoke. In MO we put the tag in the leg tendon. If someone here in CA wants to post a pic of a deer in a truck bed with no tag on the antler I can see someone asking why no tag since it's the law here. It's the first thing a warden is going to ask also. The only exception I can think of would be someone dragging the deer out and not wanting to lose the tag in thick brush.

Bottom line, the animal needs to be LEGALLY tagged according to your states regs Posting pics obviously in violation of your state game laws is NOT what we want to promote here.

[jackrabbit]

I hear what you are saying jesse -- but I think it is a bit harsh. A lot of new folks will hopefully post their first pics here, just like their first dialogues, and can be shut down if their pics (dinky game by others standards) get tossed. But I've made a comment on tags in pics before that I will repeat again:

Just look at all the CA DFG Hunting Digest/Booklets over the last years and you will see that the absolute majority of the trophy type shots they have in their official magazine have animals without tags! And that is the DFG magazine! Wardens and management didn't seem to be too concerned about those pics.

I respectfully disagree with you on this call if you are serious about not allowing pics without obvious tags on the game in the pic.

[bpnclark]

No one has a tag on their animal in a photo. The tag is distracting and gets in the way. Not to mention it shows the hunter’s full name, address, phone # and even their driver’s license #.

I was at work and saw a picture of a guy holding up a sturgeon in a fishing magazine. The guy had his fishing license on his neck. A close look and there it is. His name, address, and phone #.

[Flatbroke]

Jackrabitt,
I believe you misinterpreted Jesse's last Post. He had revisited his previous statement which is your current argument and relegated to the fact that some people place their tags on the rear of the game animal and understand that some pictures will be without visible tags. I often place the tags in plastic bags and wrap them with black tape affixed to a rear hamstring as bigworm and I give a lot of meat away to our neighbors family, friends, and labor camps.

[spectr17]

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No one has a tag on their animal in a photo. The tag is distracting and gets in the way. Not to mention it shows the hunter’s full name, address, phone # and even their driver’s license #.[/b]

Just because some don't tag their deer correctly as the regs state doesn't make it right to not tag your deer. You're supposed to tag the deer as soon as you take possession. That means BEFORE the pics. The only exception I can think of is having to drag the deer out and you might lose the tag. IF a warden pops out as your taking your hero shot right next to the truck technically he can site you. Some have even posted stories here about this happening.

For example, a deer MUDXICAN shot that is obviously at someone's home and properly tagged. Can you read his info on his tag?

[jackrabbit]

Yeah Flatbroke, seems I did misinterpret -- I was just focused on the phrase that emphasized it had to be legally tagged before taking the pic; I took that to mean the tag had to be visible in the photo; now I see that jesse was just saying to be sure the game was actually legally tagged, not that the tag had to be visible in the photo.

PS. I see jesse just posted again as I was writing -- don't know what to say now about pics and visible tags. I'll just set back and let this thing settle out a bit I guess.

[spectr17]

From the back of my D14 tag.

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Immediately After Killing Deer

Cut out and completely remove notches for month and date of kill. Fill in information requested and attach tag securely to an antler of antlered deer or ear of any other deer (Section 708, Title 14, CCR)[/b]

What I'm saying and other are saying is if you have an obviously recovered buck (home or next to truck etc) in CA it should have a tag on it's antlers. If not the pic is going to get pulled as it shows someone violating a game reg, something we are not promoting here.

You can come up with all sorts of reasons like it ruins the pic, your info might be seen or whatever but that's not going to change the policy. If your info is visible someone can easily blur it out before you post the pic.

This doesn't mean were going to become pic police but if someone asks why no tag and you say I forgot or I don't believe in tagging them then we have to pull the pic.

[Hitechhunter]

I shot my avatar buck in the evening. Not sure where the arrow hit, I waited about 45 minutes to start searching for him, then recovered it in about a half hour.

The photo's came out really dark, so I had my graphics guy at work lighten the photo up, and it changed the tag from orange to yellow. Several people jumped on me for that one, not believing it to be a valid D5 tag.

Personally, I think you're being too technical. Post up the horn porn!

If we want to get technical, can we post up without a tag after the statute of limitations has run out? It's legal!

[bpnclark]

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Dec 25 2008, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Can you read his info on his tag?[/b]

Nope. But if the original photo was a close up of just the head, then the answer would be yes.

I think wardens have other things to worry about and enforce. A guy that fills out his tag, but doesn’t attach it before he takes his pictures, is probably not going to get a ticket. If they were, they (the DF&G) probably wouldn’t have photos (of this exact same thing we are talking about) in every publication they make.

Also – I have never, ever seen a game warden 2 miles away from the nearest road. As soon as I start to see wardens away from their trucks, I’ll start to worry. But in D5 I think I'm pretty safe.

[spectr17]

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Personally, I think you're being too technical.[/b]

Okay, let me know where to draw the technical line.

Member with a can of beer in one hand, a rifle in the other and a buck okay?

Someone posting pics using a dead animal they just shot as target practice with their bows for laughs?

Someone posting pics of a dead deer in a obviously closed off limits area?

Member humping a dead deer for laughs?

Member posting a pic of game not even in season or allowed?

Believe it or not the above are examples of pics we've pulled in the past.

[spectr17]

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Nope. But if the original photo was a close up of just the head, then the answer would be yes.[/b]

Then simply blur out the info like everyone else does, just like they do when their license plate is visible and they don't want it in the pic.

If you need help blurring out info just ask.

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A guy that fills out his tag, but doesn’t attach it before he takes his pictures, is probably not going to get a ticket.[/b]

You must have missed the thread about the X zone hunter that got cited for no tag on the antlers a year or two back. If I recall correctly he was dragging it out when wardens cited him. Can't remember how far he was from the road but it seemed a little over the top to me if he was busting brush to get the deer out.

You post all the excuses you can come up with, when you're done I'll answer them in one post instead of the back and forth.

[Flatbroke]

Come on Peeps, its not that hard just follow the rules. We don't need to fight amongst ourselves as we have enough problems keeping the public lands open as it is, no matter what your hobby is hunting, fishing, backpacking etc. do the right thing and all will be well. Jesse and the other moderators do not need the BS, focus your efforts on preserving the land for your offspring and theirs.

Merry Christmas to all.

[bpnclark]

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Dec 25 2008, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Then simply blur out the info like everyone else does, just like they do when their license plate is visible and they don't want it in the pic.

If you need help blurring out info just ask.[/b]

I think a lot of people don’t realize it or even think about it. That was my only point.

And no I did not see that post. If I was him, I would have gone to court on it. Leave it up to a Judge (and hope he/she is having a good day). If the tag was completely filled out and he explained his actions, he probably would have won.

[hatchet1]

there goes man thursday

[upper]

You know,I don't take much credit for making up the saying"Holly Molly" or inventing the "Green bean Caserol",but by golly lets put a tag in every picture.even if it is fake Upper

[MikenSoCo]

Fill out the tag then stuff it in the ear for the pic. Attach it to the antler when when done.... As one member here used say " Nuff Said". It is unfortunate that some unscrupulous guys will use the pic/drag excuse to not tag an animal. The DFG cannot tell who is who in the field. Crooks are excellent actors, ask any cop. Why give DFG or a cop any ammo at all to cite you. It ain't that tough to do it right

[m57jager]

Okay, let me know where to draw the technical line.

Member with a can of beer in one hand, a rifle in the other and a buck okay? Yes, you mean to tell me that you have never put a,one, uno beer in your pack as a celebratory deal for after you harvest an animal. I have, and mmmmm, it was good (especially after miles of hiking)and I wasn't even .04. Doesn't mean people are getting drunk with guns.

Someone posting pics using a dead animal they just shot as target practice with their bows for laughs? People do this for laughs????

Someone posting pics of a dead deer in a obviously closed off limits area? Illegal, plain and simple.

Member humping a dead deer for laughs? Warm or cold? May not be for laughs.....

Member posting a pic of game not even in season or allowed? Huh, maybe they shot it when it was in season. Novel idea.

Believe it or not the above are examples of pics we've pulled in the past.

[BOWUNTR]

I see... guilty before proven guilty. Come on. How could you remove these photos when you don't know all the details? How can you enforce this? The post about the guy who got the cite while dragging the deer out... I question the validity of his type written details. There is more to his story than what he let us know. This is Jesse's site and I guess he could draw the technical line wherever he wants. This one is way too left. IMO. ED F

[Common Sense]

QUOTE (BOWUNTR @ Dec 26 2008, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This is Jesse's site and I guess he could draw the technical line wherever he wants. [/b]

[bpnclark]

QUOTE (MikenSoCo @ Dec 26 2008, 05:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Fill out the tag then stuff it in the ear for the pic. Attach it to the antler when when done.... As one member here used say " Nuff Said". It is unfortunate that some unscrupulous guys will use the pic/drag excuse to not tag an animal. The DFG cannot tell who is who in the field. Crooks are excellent actors, ask any cop. Why give DFG or a cop any ammo at all to cite you. It ain't that tough to do it right [/b]

I guess you’re a criminal if you don’t attach the tag before you take a picture? It sounds like some people are putting this act in the same boat as poaching. The tag thing is not that big of a deal. I’ll take my chances.

I hope you guys drive exactly 55 Mph on the freeway. 58 is against the law and you can receive a citation.

[spectr17]

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The tag thing is not that big of a deal.[/b]

Maybe not to you but wardens seem to get excited when they come upon untagged deer in pickups from my experience in CA, AZ, UT and MO where I hunt. Most have been cited that I've witnessed, I can think of one guy who got a stern warning and lecture.

As I said several times already, we're not going to become pic police looking for tags.

As far as alcohol in pics, please re-read my statement. You can have a beer after a kill, just don't take pics of you holding a gun with the beer and post them here. Guns and alcohol is something I don't want to promote. How goofy do you have to be to think that's going to fly?

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Member posting a pic of game not even in season or allowed? Huh, maybe they shot it when it was in season. Novel idea.[/b]

Well, when the person shoots an animal not even open to hunting it's pretty simple. The other goof posted the date of the kill which was oh about 2 week from being open season.

You all continue the drama, I'm bowing out. I'm sure you can drag this into a 4 pager no problem.

[weekender21]

Jesse, I'll have to agree with you about the untagged deer in the back of a pick-up. There is absolutely no reason not to have a tag on the deer by that point.

If you fill out your tag completely and have it at the kill site, (in the ear, on the deer, on your pack, etc.) I don't think you'll ever have a problem if you take pics before securing it the the antlers.

IMO there is a huge difference between the two.

[hatchet1]

while were on the topic of deer,how about them hog photos i never seem to see them tags on"secure to carcass of wild pig"
are they there, just not noticable in the pics?many a places you could secure a tag too, where does it stop....
[i like that little pot stirring guy and have really never had a chance to use it till now]merry x-mas

[upper]

Hatchet,landowner willing,you dont need a tag where you take most of your pigs.A phone call to fish and game is in order though..........Upper

[hatchet1]

i beg to difer sir,i do believe a tag is required regardless of depradation or not.. at least where i hunt

[hank4elk]

I have always tagged my deer ASAP. I attach it with electrical tape, in plastic if raining , etc... I've taken them off for a few pics, but it was filled and attached first! I can remember them when I look at them later. Never bothered a hole lot with pictures anyway. The most importaant thing to me is getting the animal signed and cooled as soon as poosible. Pictures are a perk, and a camera is extra weight on alot of my hunts. TAG IT! I'd rather not spend a day withDFG in court, my time is valuable, a picture is a perk. I took some pics of my 07 buck, and posted it under the d7 talk, it has a tag on.

[Vermonster]

QUOTE (Common Sense @ Dec 26 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

QUOTE (BOWUNTR @ Dec 26 2008, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This is Jesse's site and I guess he could draw the technical line wherever he wants. [/b]

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Ditto.......

[Flatbroke]

QUOTE (hatchet1 @ Dec 26 2008, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

i beg to difer sir,i do believe a tag is required regardless of depradation or not.. at least where i hunt [/b]

Upper is correct. No tag needed on depredation and you need to call the Warden to notify them