Pics with no tags on the bucks in CA

[Flatbroke]

Still on the first page hmmm.

[jls456]

I have my validated tag in my pocket when packin' out,or for pictures........attached to the antlers after kill and when in camp or being transported..like the regulations say,if you read them.

[pschultheis]

You know the guy who runs this thing and ultimately moderates this forum said that tags need to be placed on antlers if you are to post a pic. Seems simple!! Fact is, if that man says that I need to place a tag on antler, close one eye, scream like a banshee, do the hookie pokey and proclaim I love men with hairy backs in order to post a picture on HIS website I then have two choices.

A. Place a tag on antler, close one eye, scream like a banshee, do the hookie pokey and proclaim I love men with hairy backs, then post my picture.

B. Don’t post a picture.


So what’s all the fuss about?

[upper]

Wham,balam........Upper

[Flatbroke]

I understand and can appreciate the Tags for deer, I would prefer to return to the old, no tag requirements for hogs.

[hank4elk]

I'm waiting for the tyvek tags along with a DFG website that works for applying for tags or looking up info. Even Utah is miles ahead of the Dot Com state.

[VHRAM]

I tie strap mine on then roll it around the antlers and then use those short bunges with the ball end to wrap it around the antlers , so I dont lose it when draging out the deer. Ive seen wardens be very picky about how you notch the tag, 1 guy in the next camp to us got citation cause it was a "hanging chad" and not fully removed, the deer in my avitar is wraped like I said you can barley see it under my hand in the pic.

[bpnclark]

VHRAM – I hope you have that deer tagged in your avatar. It looks like you shot it somewhere downtown while shopping. You have the body laid out on the sidewalk.

Very nice by-the-way

[upper]

Boy BP,the hunter you are and still can't recognize road kill..........Upper

[CaliJeephuntr]

What a joke of a thread.... people are too anal about a field picture. If you want to tag your deer before a field photo, then do it. If you want to take the photo before attaching the tag, then do it. In the end this is too ticky tack and people are taking it waaaay to literally. If you want to follow the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law then that's your choice.

[spectr17]

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What a joke of a thread.... people are too anal about a field picture. If you want to tag your deer before a field photo, then do it. If you want to take the photo before attaching the tag, then do it. In the end this is too ticky tack and people are taking it waaaay to literally. If you want to follow the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law then that's your choice.[/b]

So the guy who posted the pic with the buck in his truck bed awhile back with no tag on it that some asked about. Is that ticky tacky? Is that a buzzkiller? Or should we point out it's a bit over the edge for spirit of the law since it's obviously a recovered buck and NOT a field pic?

[buckfever07]

I tag my deer when I recover them and remove the tag for those 14 seconds I shoot a couple pictures. If I'm a criminal book me baby.

Jr

[snoopdogg]

Wait a second, don't bring me into this!

I think some of you guys are not living life right. When you’re thinking about what is wrong or right, I have the solution. Just ask yourself “What would Snoop Dogg do?”

What’s more important? Taking a picture or getting a little ticket. Don’t be scar’d.

[CaliJeephuntr]

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Dec 28 2008, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

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What a joke of a thread.... people are too anal about a field picture. If you want to tag your deer before a field photo, then do it. If you want to take the photo before attaching the tag, then do it. In the end this is too ticky tack and people are taking it waaaay to literally. If you want to follow the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law then that's your choice.[/b]

So the guy who posted the pic with the buck in his truck bed awhile back with no tag on it that some asked about. Is that ticky tacky? Is that a buzzkiller? Or should we point out it's a bit over the edge for spirit of the law since it's obviously a recovered buck and NOT a field pic?
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I'm not sure what picture you're talking about, maybe a link would be a good reference. But even still, unless you know the whole story then I think it's still a bit ridiculous. Maybe they just got the buck in the truck after dragging it out of a big canyon and was about to attach the tag and someone just happened to snap a shot of the deer? Hypothetical sure, but it's still just as bad to assume that just because it's in the truck with no tag that it's not going to be tagged or the guy is just as bad as some guy who poaches a deer at night.

And yes, buzzkill is proper word for a lot of what goes on on this site now a days. Instead of enjoying a story, or a picture, some people are critiquing ithe whole thing to look for anything that is wrong and then blowing it up like it's some kind of national incident. This was a site to enjoy hunting experiences, not to bad mouth someone who may have done something that some other JHO member thinks is a sin of the devil. Road hunters is the perfect example of that.

If I down an animal, soon as I get there i'm going to enjoy the moment, take a few pictures, then drag it to the truck where I will then attach the tag. This is what i've always done and I see absolutely no problem with that. However, when I pull in to the game shack, at either FHL or VAFB, the tag is attached. Every time I see an animal brought in to FHL game shack I see a tag attached. Did they attach it soon as they got to the animal or wait till they loaded it onto the vehicle? I don't know and I don't care. All I know is it was tagged when it was checked in and that is all that matters.

[superduty]

It's normally the newbies that get crunched on this one. Anyone that has been here long enough knows that. Personnaly, I have MY pictures and the ones I take for posting here. Regardless though I DO tag before loading into a quad or truck or anything including a game cart. I'm not about to risk losing my privelages just because I'm too anal to tag my buck. The only thing that worries me and keeps me on my toes is loosing the tag durring a long drag so I tend to keep looking just to make sure.
Fire away boys.

[D9BUCKKLR]

I have taken some pics before I taged . but have always taged before draging. I use about 7 zip tys and strap that sucker on so it wont fall off while I drag. although this year my buddy was worried in colorado that he was going to lose his in the snow while draging , all he had was electrical tape so we covered the whole thing with tape. when we go to the road and were loading him in the truck the game warden pulled up. he said as long as it was punched right after the kill we could carry it in our pocket untill we reach the truck.

[spectr17]

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If I down an animal, soon as I get there i'm going to enjoy the moment, take a few pictures, then drag it to the truck where I will then attach the tag. This is what i've always done and I see absolutely no problem with that.[/b]

That's fine, just don't whine when you get asked by a warden why no tag and get cited. Just as we don't allow alcohol in pics were not going to allow pics of CA bucks that have been OBVIOUSLY recovered that have no tag on the antlers. One of the reasons some are doing this is because they see pics of untagged CA bucks like you mention and figure that is the right way. Eric from DFG said they are starting to weed out the untagged pics for their publications for the same reason. It's sending a mixed message as some of you pointed out here in this thread.

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And yes, buzzkill is proper word for a lot of what goes on on this site now a days. Instead of enjoying a story, or a picture, some people are critiquing ithe whole thing to look for anything that is wrong and then blowing it up like it's some kind of national incident. This was a site to enjoy hunting experiences, not to bad mouth someone who may have done something that some other JHO member thinks is a sin of the devil. Road hunters is the perfect example of that.[/b]

Road hunting IS NOT illegal, lets stay on the topic. If someone posts something that is illegal I have asked members and mods to point it out and we'll remove it. I'm not going to look the other way like some do in the field because someone winks and claims they'll tag the buck when they feel like it. I've personally watched a warden cite a group for cheating the system this way. After watching one group drag out 3 deer and never tag it we had the local warden step in. On deer 4 the guy produced the tag claiming he had a tough drag across an open meadow. Funny thing was out of 8 guys he had the only tag and they never showed up again after getting cited. This group were all shooting and driving off with untagged deer. "Oh, we're gonna tag it" was the usual response when we asked.

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I'm not sure what picture you're talking about, maybe a link would be a good reference. But even still, unless you know the whole story then I think it's still a bit ridiculous. Maybe they just got the buck in the truck after dragging it out of a big canyon and was about to attach the tag and someone just happened to snap a shot of the deer? Hypothetical sure, but it's still just as bad to assume that just because it's in the truck with no tag that it's not going to be tagged or the guy is just as bad as some guy who poaches a deer at night.[/b]

Maybe pigs will fly some day too. I have no problem popping a pic where the deer fell. If someone sneaks a pic before you tag it at your truck DON'T POST IT. If the pic is in your driveway or truck bed it needs to have a tag on it. I'm not going to turn loose the pic police here but I'm also not going to promote questionable methods of some hunters who feel the rules don't apply to them and they'll do as they please.

Either follow the tag rule and properly tag the buck after you have it RECOVERED or don't post the pic, it's that simple. As for the whining and claims of buzzkilling, I'm not sure what to say. Maybe you can attend a hunter safety class with me and you can explain your version of when to tag and why to the new folks. Maybe ask a warden why this is a huge loophole some hunters use to shoot 3 or 4 deer a year on one tag.

[Hunt Crazy In Ca]

Ill admit, ive done the hole take the picture thing first and then tag it after....im guilty as charged i will say I WILL alaways tag my animals....I dont know about the rest of you but there is no better feeling then punching that tag and attaching it to that animal and knowing all that work and sweat was so worth it......the feelin of success!!!!!!!!THAT is why I hunt!!!!

[bpnclark]

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Dec 29 2008, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I have no problem popping a pic where the deer fell. If someone sneaks a pic before you tag it at your truck DON'T POST IT. If the pic is in your driveway or truck bed it needs to have a tag on it.[/b]

Thanks Jesse. This is clear and makes prefect sense.

To the guys that don’t carry cameras in the field: If I have to drag it back to the truck, it’s going to look like sh*t when it gets there. That’s why it’s usually best to take the photos where they fell. You can get a nice small 6 to 10 mega pixel camera today that weighs less than a pound. And they’re getting pretty cheap too.

And why drag at all? I now use my old frame pack or my 4500. I know longer drag anything out. It’s a lot easier to quarter them (any animal) out in the field and carry it back. Even if you have to make 2 trips. But if you wait to take pictures when you get back to the truck, no one will want to see them.

My

[upper]

BP,pictures are secondary to the law,Period.why do you argue that so,so,fervently? Upper

[XDHUNTER]

Guilty as charge....

[Flatbroke]

^^^^

[upper]

XD those guns against the tree look loaded.You should unload your gun before you tag.Nice forken antler by the way Upper

[SCREWLOOSE]

QUOTE (jackrabbit @ Dec 26 2008, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Dang, Rancho is now a fugitive in Montana. With those ferns on the ground in the criminal pic, I'd say he poached that deer in the Santa Cruz, CA hippie mountains. Is there a bounty on Rancho now? How much is he worth (dead or alive?)? Don't think any CA bounty hunters will be trekking to Montana for him for a while though -- too cold!![/b]

If Rancho transported those pics across state lines is he now a Interstate Fugitive? Maybe the FBI should be looking him up...

[bpnclark]

QUOTE (upper @ Dec 29 2008, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

BP,pictures are secondary to the law,Period.why do you argue that so,so,fervently? Upper[/b]

First - my tag is always filled out. It might not be attached before the pics, but it’s filled out.

Second - pictures are very important to me. I won’t mount an animal unless it’s bigger (a lot bigger) than average size of that species. That leaves me with just a photo. Not that it’s a bad thing. I hunt for the meat, the experience and the memories. What better way to keep a memory then with a pic?

Third - I drive 58-62 mph on a 55 mph freeway. I don’t always make complete stops. My license plate tag light is missing off my Jeep. And I cut the tag off my mattress.

I hunt far off the road. I carry a camera with me. Photos are taken before any cuts or dragging happens (just like everyone else I know and hunt with). I have never seen any warden away from the road. It’s just a risk that I’m going to take. To me – it’s not that big of deal. If I get a ticket – I get a ticket. I don’t care. I’m not a poacher and I’m not a criminal.

[XDHUNTER]

QUOTE (upper @ Dec 29 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

XD those guns against the tree look loaded.You should unload your gun before you tag.Nice forken antler by the way Upper[/b]

Loaded with dirt, rolled down the hill with me twice...

thank's for the comp.

[Common Sense]

QUOTE (bpnclark @ Dec 29 2008, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

First - my tag is always filled out. It might not be attached before the pics, but it’s filled out.[/b]

A few times I have attached the tag after throwing the deer on my tailgate, but the first thing I do after harvesting a deer is fill out and NOTCH the tag. Depending upon the circumstances; I attach it to the antler or put it in my pocket, then I begin to field dress. The letter of the law requires me to attach immediately no matter what; but if the tag is filled out and notched so it cannot be used again, I figure I have met the spirit of the law. The chances of a game warden seeing me are usually slim to none (I wish there were more wardens), so it is basically something you do because you think it is the right thing to do --- not because you are afraid of getting caught.

[hank4elk]

Right on Jesse!! 'Nuff said.

[bucknut]

QUOTE (D9BUCKKLR @ Dec 29 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

when we go to the road and were loading him in the truck the game warden pulled up. he said as long as it was punched right after the kill we could carry it in our pocket untill we reach the truck.[/b]

Nice to see someone out there advocating common sense. Even if it is all the way over in Colorado.

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Nice forken antler by the way[/b]

lol Upper. You get a star by your name.

[MikenSoCo]

The bottom line is while most of us are upstanding, law-abiding hunters, there are manipulative, coniving, unscrupulous poachers out there as well. While it's hard for most of us to escape our "legal" way of thinking, you have to understand there is no way for a warden to tell us apart out in the field. The strict enforcement of existing game laws is needed in order to weed out the abusers. It's the responsibility of law abiding hunters to follow the rules to a "T", and inso doing you are helping the game wardens weed out the opportunistic, casual poachers. Remember, not all poachers are obvious, sloppy, and blatant. If you've got nothing to hide, follow the damned rules. Show me a man with a bag of excuses and I'll show you a man with a bag of tricks.