Pics with no tags on the bucks in CA

[hatchet1]

f.b., i must clarify my response,it is my understanding that the landowner must have the depradation permit in possesion
while on a depredation hunt? warden must be notified before hunting,i understand an individual tag is not required,should have
stated that in my previous post, said "tag" instead of" permit",there is a difference, my bad... , i,ll be out this weekend
trying to whack the elusive hog with stick and string, keep you guys posted as always

[bpnclark]

I helped out on a deer depredation hunt on a vineyard when I was in high school. We had a tag book and every deer was tagged and brought to the DF&G. We weren’t able to keep anything.

Back to the topic – Hank4elk – If you tag it and then take it off, then you too are breaking the law.

[CATManReid]

I agree with Jackrabbit's first statement...as soon as the pics in the DFG Booklet have tags attached (elk, deer, bear, pigs, sheep) I'll start picturing mine with the tags attached. But until then, I'll continue my picture taking with the tag in my pocket waiting til after the pics to attach it. I like to take my pics on how I find the animal, and they don't run around with tags on them...hahaha

[upper]

Incendental Take and take under a depred permit are a little different.The permits have changed over the years from:you kill them gut them and stack them,well pick them up,,,to Issued tags after the fact ,,,to a booklet of tags.It all depends on if you go through the county ag dept. or fish and game.Depred permits can be used sometimes at night and pretty much any way except maybe poison.Incedental take,is your out looking around and LOOK there is a hog tearing up the rangeland,Pop goes the weasel....Upper PS 4 pages easy

[hank4elk]

I take it off so it can be signed. Most of the racks in the cellar have tags on them still, one from 76'..... I remember that hunt too!

[DEERSLAM]

Wow this is kinda crazy. Yes we all know the law for the most part but if you look in a lot of the mags, other sites and such a lot of critters aren't tagged. Hell I bet if I went back through all of my FIELD photos I probably have very few critters with tags on em. Guess I'm a bad man.
If a Warden came across a hunter in the field who had just taken an animal and was setting it up for photos and gave him a ticket even though he had the proper tag filled out yet not attached yet for the photos I believe that would be absolutely chicken $h!+.

[spectr17]

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Wow this is kinda crazy. Yes we all know the law for the most part but if you look in a lot of the mags, other sites and such a lot of critters aren't tagged. Hell I bet if I went back through all of my FIELD photos I probably have very few critters with tags on em. Guess I'm a bad man.[/b]

Please don't put words in my mouth. Try reading my posts first. A CA buck in a garage, a backyard or pickup truck SHOULD HAVE a tag on the antlers. A buck in the field may have to be drug out so I'm not worried about field photos. The one post I remember that people whined about was a buck in a pickup that had no tag. Obviously it needed one and someone mentioned it. Then several called him a buzzkiller for it. It's simple concept really. Kill the buck, get it to your truck or home and make sure it has a tag on it before you post pics of it here.

Tell you what, next season drive around with an untagged buck in your truck and show everyone how proud you are it not being tagged and not ruining your pics. Let us know how that works out for ya.

Only 1 page so far, I'm losing faith. Must be the holidays. Gotta be a few more chicken littles here to run around screaming the world is coming to end over this.

[WildlifeBranch]

At least in California, we have been evolving over the past couple years to only use pictures that show legally tagged animals in our publications. We're not their yet, but are getting closer.

The law is pretty clear on tagging animals here in CA; like said above, if you drive 58 in a 55 you are breaking the law.

The risk is for hunters to decide on how much they are willing to take, just like drivers.

Merry Christmas-- & have a Happy -- Eric

[upper]

Thats all you got Wildlife?Geeeeese Upper

[spectr17]

Merry Christmas Eric.

Upper, get back over by the eggnog where you belong.

[WildlifeBranch]

QUOTE (upper @ Dec 26 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Incendental Take and take under a depred permit are a little different.The permits have changed over the years from:you kill them gut them and stack them,well pick them up,,,to Issued tags after the fact ,,,to a booklet of tags.It all depends on if you go through the county ag dept. or fish and game.Depred permits can be used sometimes at night and pretty much any way except maybe poison.Incedental take,is your out looking around and LOOK there is a hog tearing up the rangeland,Pop goes the weasel....Upper PS 4 pages easy [/b]

The incidental take is the fairly new encounter law for landowners Fish Game Code 4181.1. There is concern that it is being abused and that people are out encountering pigs as if they are on a pig hunt.

Methods for killing pigs under depredation permit is usually specified on the permit by the issuing DFGer. Eric

4181.1. (a) Any bear that is encountered while in the act of inflicting injury to, molesting, or killing, livestock may be taken immediately by the owner of the livestock or the owner's employee if the taking is reported no later than the next working day to the department and the carcass is made available to the department.
(b) Notwithstanding Section 4652, any wild pig that is encountered while in the act of inflicting injury to, molesting, pursuing, worrying, or killing livestock or damaging or destroying, or threatening to immediately damage or destroy, land or other property, including, but not limited to, rare, threatened, or endangered native plants, wildlife, or aquatic species, may be taken immediately by the owner of the livestock, land, or property or the owner's agent or employee, or by an agent or employee of any federal, state, county, or city entity when acting in his or her official capacity.

[upper]

Now we are talking Mr. Eric ,thanks.When is a pig not about to destroy?Again thank you ......... Upper

[MikenSoCo]

" Gee officer, I was going to tag my deer after the pic"

" Gee officer, I was going to tag my deer just after I field dressed it"

" Gee officer, I was going to tag my deer just after I dragged it to the truck"

"Gee officer, I was going to tag my deer just as soon as I made it home"

" Hey Bill, I made it all the home without tagging my buck! I still have a tag, what are you doing next weekend? Let's go hunt"

[WildlifeBranch]

QUOTE (upper @ Dec 26 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Now we are talking Mr. Eric ,thanks.When is a pig not about to destroy?Again thank you ......... Upper[/b]

give me a better hint if you want more energy in a response-- it is the holidays.

that up there (not about to destroy) is the irony about "wild pig management" and the other pig thread about opening up a Diablo state park.

In effect, we're damned if we do damned if we don't do wild pg management as game management is typically done to increase the game. turkeys & pigs, not so much.

MikenSoCo = BINGO! oh oh a doublepost. what do I win?

[Rancho Loco]

Wildlifebranch!! Solve most of this problem and get rid of the crappy California tags and get the indestructible Tyvek ones like most of the other states!

[Hitechhunter]

The official DF&G printed material admittedly prints pics w/o tags, but this website won't allow it.

What other web sites don't allow pics without clearly visible tags?

[upper]

Find out and tell us Hightech,while you still can......................... Upper

[bpnclark]

Maybe you guys should start notching and detaching the tag before you walk up to the animal. You never know – you might get a citation.

[spectr17]

I second the want for Tyvek tags. The paper tags get ruined in the rain and just fall apart in my pack after a few weeks unless I stumble upon a deer or bear right out of the gate.

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The official DF&G printed material admittedly prints pics w/o tags, but this website won't allow it.[/b]

Re-read my posts please and stop putting words in my mouth I never posted.

MikesoCo, thank you. I'm sure they are more than a few here wondering what the big deal is about tagging a buck the way DFG spells it out on the tag. I'm also sure it will not sink in for a few either. That's the cross we bare I guess.

[Rancho Loco]

Here's my A zone buck from 2007.. NO TAG.



What do you think the tag would look like after I drug it through this?



Someone turn me in!!

[upper]

Boy ,I have never seen so many tough hunters get sooo weak after the kill.Really........Upper

[bpnclark]

Rancho – that is against the law. You are a criminal.

Throw the book at him MikenSoCo!!!

[spectr17]

[jackrabbit]

Dang, Rancho is now a fugitive in Montana. With those ferns on the ground in the criminal pic, I'd say he poached that deer in the Santa Cruz, CA hippie mountains. Is there a bounty on Rancho now? How much is he worth (dead or alive?)? Don't think any CA bounty hunters will be trekking to Montana for him for a while though -- too cold!!

[MikenSoCo]

Man up and get it done like the rest of us. BP can put a band aid on ya if ya make it out

[bpnclark]

I think some of you guys are not living life right. When you’re thinking about what is wrong or right, I have the solution. Just ask yourself “What would Snoop Dogg do?”

What’s more important? Taking a picture or getting a little ticket. Don’t be scar’d.

[Rancho Loco]

I'm living in 'ol Ted's cabin!! Come and get me!!!!

[upper]

[CATManReid]

I see what you mean Jesse. Makes perfect sense now.

After my photo session's over I tag the buck before I even move it, clean it, etc. I can see where the confusion in this thread lies though. Pictures in trucks or driveways with no tags is a no brainer.

Please pardon my confusion! Kudos.

[AZ Jim]

Arizona has pre-printed tags all you have to do is sign them before you go into the field. They seem to be fairly durable under "normal" conditions but can tear, due to the perforated design (I think that is what it is in the center of the tag). I know I have had a couple of close calls with the tag tearing almost all the way through when hauling out critters in rough terrain, you just have to be extra carefull.

AZ regs. state the animal has to tagged immediately after the kill. I know I have seen people take pictures before they have tagged their game, but tag them immediately after the pictures are taken. I guess it depends on the game warden as to how strict they are, but I think they would be somewhat lenient in those circumstances ??? I know I have been stopped in the field with a tag I forgot to sign. The warden just handed me a pen and said "sign it" and explained the importance of signing it, and sent me on way.

Anyway it is our responsibility as hunters to follow the rules. I don't think the tag takes away from the picture. Just position it facing straight back, or hold your hand around it in the picture, or camoflauge it somehow if you don't like it. Below are pictures of my 2006 buck. I don't think the tag takes away from the photo (but that is my opinion). It shows a legally taken animal and we as hunters should be proud of that.

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AZ Jim