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curhunting
12-12-2004, 04:34 PM
What is the best baydog/catch vest? Is there a vest that covers more than just the neck and upper portion of the body?


Thanks Jeff

boarrunner
12-14-2004, 04:57 PM
Curhunting; I run Razorback cut vest,and collars, I also have a big dawg vest,
and various home made. the razorback velcros and buckles. wich makes it easier to put on, and stay on. they are very effective. all of them can rip or be punctured
If you can't find there # let me know.
Bob

bayedsolid
12-14-2004, 09:08 PM
SCK cut vest (http://www.sckcutvest.com/pages/2/) I have one of these catch dog vests now and really like it. It's really taken a lot of abuse and is still going strong. It's definately worth $89 anyway. It is tough to find a vest that covers more than the upper portion of the body but you can always sew on some other material to cover what you want. I sewed a chunk of tow strap onto the chest to reinforce that area when it got too cut up.....and it works fine.

Tx_Hoghunter
12-15-2004, 06:06 AM
I have one of the really old double wet felt and one of the newer what ever the hell it is light weight stuff. The light weight one allows the dog to move better and has worked ok but a big hog can do a little more damage when the dog is wearing it. The old one gets stiff sometimes but I have never had a hog cut though it. I only use them on bull dogs.

-john

curhunting
12-16-2004, 07:30 PM
I appreciate all the leads. I currently use bayheadcutvest but the pigs always seem to cut the where the vest does not cover. My vest looks like new and the dog is shreaded. I was hoping there was somthing out there I was missing but I guess I will have to take up sewing. Thanks Jeff

Tx_Hoghunter
12-17-2004, 05:47 AM
What kind of dogs are you running? All dogs can get cut at times but if you have a dog that is getting cut all of the time then it is the dogs own fault. A good dog only gets cut when it makes a mistake. ( not talking about catch dogs here just bay dogs).

-john

bayedsolid
12-17-2004, 01:22 PM
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I was hoping there was somthing out there I was missing but I guess I will have to take up sewing[/b] Vest or no vest, it&#39;s hard to be a hog hunter and not be a pretty damn good seamstress. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-sideways-laff-aqua.gif

boarrunner
12-17-2004, 04:14 PM
Thats the truth bayed solid. If you hunt hogs you&#39;ll sew dogs.
They don&#39;t make enuff protection to protect from some of those bad hogs.

Tx_Hoghunter
12-20-2004, 07:20 AM
Staple guns are the only way to go. Much easier.

-john

Franklin3
07-18-2005, 05:43 PM
Tx: you got a name of a supplier for the stapler? appreciate it.

Arrowslinger
07-18-2005, 07:24 PM
Franklin...i know a guy that can get staple guns for ya as well as removers http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-cool-shades-down.gif ...shoot me an e-mail. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley_gettin_mail.gif

Franklin3
07-21-2005, 09:49 AM
Thanks A.S.
I found the website and they have the full range of products. What I really need help with is finding a place where I can check the dog out. She&#39;s 5 years old and never been on a hog before. Anybody got any ideas Im listening.

Arrowslinger
07-21-2005, 12:37 PM
Franklin.....I&#39;ve got a bunch of staples/applicators and removers...you want&#39;em...they&#39;re yours http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif You sure you want to put your dog on hogs? If so, i want to be there. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbs-up-ani.gif

Franklin3
07-21-2005, 04:39 PM
Kirk: your welcome and I&#39;d enjoy your company if your serious. As far as putting my dog out on a hog consider for a moment she&#39;s 65 lbs of pure blooded Colby Pit Bull and I gotta find something for her to chew I think hogs might be the natural fit since she shows to be inclined to chew on ears anyway. Thought I might meet somebody here who&#39;s in the game and willing to share their experience.

Arrowslinger
07-21-2005, 08:13 PM
Oh yeah!! If you&#39;re goin&#39;, count me in...i&#39;ll bring staples & knives http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-gunfighter-yellow.gif

bubba
07-22-2005, 09:45 AM
Count me in, I&#39;ll bring my K-bar and Weber-Q...and of course the Crown and Diet Pepsi. Don&#39;t forget your bucket Franklin...

Arrowslinger
07-22-2005, 09:53 AM
I&#39;ll even throw in my bow...just in case http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

bayedsolid
07-22-2005, 12:21 PM
Arrowslinger--Did Franklin take the staplers? If not....I&#39;d love to have them. My staple bill gets fairly high every year so any chance I get to find some at a reduced cost, http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-cool-shades-down.gif I jump at it. It&#39;s the off season for me for a couple of months &#39;till things cool off a bit and deer season is over, but it won&#39;t be long and I&#39;ll be playing vet again.

Franklin3--
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I think hogs might be the natural fit since she shows to be inclined to chew on ears anyway.[/b] Most catch dogs naturally go for the head and soon find that the ears are convienient handles to hang on with, but I was just curious as to what you see that makes her inclined to chew on ears? Playin with other dogs or something? I&#39;m certainly not the guy that needs to be telling anyone to not go throwing your dog on hogs, but if she&#39;s a family pet, you have to know that the chances of her living to a ripe old age are reduced a tad. I only say this &#39;cause it sounds like she&#39;s your only potential hog dog right now.....and catch dogs tend to live on the edge, if you know what I mean.

I&#39;ll talk to you guys in a couple of days.... I&#39;ve scheduled a meeting with a brand new broadhead and a very large Blacktail, and I don&#39;t want to be late. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbs-up-ani.gif

Arrowslinger
07-22-2005, 02:04 PM
I&#39;ve got plenty for both of ya plus bandage material (self sticking) to protect the stapled area......bayedsolid, e-mail me when you get a chance & best of luck w/ your meeting. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-gunfighter-yellow.gif

BGH831
08-14-2005, 11:50 PM
I have a couple dogs and might want to go on the ride? Where ya headin? I belive I have aknife around here somewhere and maybe a bottle or two http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-dancin-red.gif

Franklin3
09-01-2005, 05:11 PM
I been lost getting a bunch of buildings ready for people to move in and remodeling my living room and getting ready for my daughters wedding I haven&#39;t been back here to read all the good stuff you guys been posting. I appreciate all your comments. Anyway to answer your Question BayedSolid. You hit the nail on the head if it&#39;s got a handle she&#39;ll hang on it. As far as turning the family pet out goes I&#39;d have to ask you if you ever notice the look in your hounds eyes when they get really bored and depressed? How about the look and sound when they strike a hot track? Well I beleive ther&#39;s a big difference and some breeds are born and bred to work and they&#39;re never happay unless they are. I may be wrong about this dog but I know she loves to work and she&#39;s a completely different animal when she&#39;s going. I&#39;m not trying to imply anything more than we&#39;d like to give it a go and see how we like it. Not having ever run dogs on hogs before I&#39;m looking for help from someone experienced in the sport. I used to hunt with some boys up near Mt. Hood Ore. back in the 60&#39;s when running dogs for Bear and Racoons was legal and I really enjoyed that I understand there&#39;s more risk for the dog in tagging a hog than there is in treeing a bear not implying a hog is more dangerous just that I never heard of anyone using a catch dog on a bear and I don&#39;t think I want to try my dog on that .
Any comments or help I&#39;m all ears.
Thanks

bayedsolid
09-06-2005, 10:35 PM
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I&#39;d have to ask you if you ever notice the look in your hounds eyes when they get really bored and depressed?[/b] Yea, you should see my poor, pathetic mutts right now. They hate the summer just as much as I do. Just a little bit longer and I&#39;ll get them out again. I&#39;m sure your dog will turn on right away. I was just pointing out that there is a substantial risk involved with hog dogs, and that goes triple for catch dogs. I know a lot of bear hunters that hate the hogs because they wack up their dogs and they try not to run them at all. I was really suprised at this. I figured if they were gritty enough to pull hair on a hog they would do the same with a bear and I know if I had the choice as to which critter to grab onto, I&#39;d think the bear would do more damage. But what do I know. I haven&#39;t been around bear dogs that get on a hog to see the who, what, where of it all but that&#39;s what I&#39;ve been told by a few.

RIFLEMAN
09-07-2005, 12:08 AM
bayed,
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Yea, you should see my poor, pathetic mutts right now. They hate the summer just as much as I do. Just a little bit longer and I&#39;ll get them out again.[/b]
Any rice farms or private duckclubs in your neck of the woods? During the summer, I keep my dogs in shape and occupied by coonhunting the sloughs, levees and rice paddies until the weather cools down, the foxtails fall off, and the deer hunters leave the foothills.

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I know a lot of bear hunters that hate the hogs because they wack up their dogs and they try not to run them at all. I was really suprised at this. I figured if they were gritty enough to pull hair on a hog they would do the same with a bear and I know if I had the choice as to which critter to grab onto, I&#39;d think the bear would do more damage. But what do I know. I haven&#39;t been around bear dogs that get on a hog to see the who, what, where of it all but that&#39;s what I&#39;ve been told by a few.[/b]
As someone who hunts bear and hogs with my dogs, I can tell you that what you have been told is largely true; Hunters that run their dogs exclusively on bears hate the thought of running across a hog while out hunting. In fact, I am routinely criticized by my friends and hunting buddies for hunting my good hounds on what they consider worthless hogs, because of the tremendous risk. They see no reason to risk the life of a good hound that can be used for coon, cat and bear for the sake of running hogs, when I can instead, run less versatile curs on the hogs.

I can also tell you that I have lost dogs and spent countless thousands of dollars on vet bills, and must now hunt my hounds in cut collars and vests to protect them against hogs, but I have never had to take a dog to the vet to treat a wound from a bear. The only wound I have had to deal with was a skin laceration on the flank of one of my bitches; a simple staple job was all that it took to make her as good as new. I have had a couple friends get their dogs hurt by bears, and know of some hunters who lost dogs to bears, but there simply is not as high a possibility for wounding or death as with hogs.

I&#39;m not sure why there is such as disparity between the two species. Even when the bear refuses to tree and is bayed in the brush for an extended period of time (thereby simulating a typical hoghunting scenario), the dogs seem to be more respectful. Perhaps it is the smell or the size difference between the two. The scent of a hog may not evoke the same innate and instinctive respect that a bear does, or the equitable size of the hog to the dogs may encourage the dogs to close quarters with the hog.

RIFLEMAN
09-07-2005, 12:14 AM
curhunting,

Like boarrunner, I use Razorback vests. They are well made and easy to use, but can be cumbersome at times.

My second choice was the maker that bayedsolid uses, Southern Cross Kennles. The only issue I had with them was the limited coverage of their vests for the dogs used to pursue and bay the hogs.

The Razorback vests provide better coverage, but seem to slow the dogs down. You&#39;ll need to determine how to balance protection and speed/agility according to the traits of your dogs.

bayedsolid
09-07-2005, 04:51 PM
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Any rice farms or private duckclubs in your neck of the woods? During the summer, I keep my dogs in shape and occupied by coonhunting the sloughs, levees and rice paddies until the weather cools down, the foxtails fall off, and the deer hunters leave the foothills.[/b] I don&#39;t have anything like that nearby. I get them out a little to run around a pond or something but it&#39;s just to let them stretch their legs a bit.
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They see no reason to risk the life of a good hound that can be used for coon, cat and bear for the sake of running hogs, when I can instead, run less versatile curs on the hogs.[/b] That one hurts. You should have just ended the sentence right after for the sake of running hogs.
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I&#39;m not sure why there is such as disparity between the two species. Even when the bear refuses to tree and is bayed in the brush for an extended period of time (thereby simulating a typical hoghunting scenario), the dogs seem to be more respectful. Perhaps it is the smell or the size difference between the two. The scent of a hog may not evoke the same innate and instinctive respect that a bear does, or the equitable size of the hog to the dogs may encourage the dogs to close quarters with the hog.[/b] I think it is more likely that the bear is less aggressive than the boar hogs. I&#39;ve watched many boar hogs making runs at the dogs and not just a single burst either. I&#39;ve watched them hook the dog 6 or 7 times while tossing them like a rag doll before spinning back around. If a bear did that, he would pull the dog in on the first charge and bite him in half. Bears are tough critters, as you know, and if they were so inclined they could mow through a pack of dogs in a few moments. I&#39;ve often wondered why a 300 lb. ball of teeth, claws, and muscle would run from a few flea ridden mutts. Besides the dogs sometimes getting wacked up, most of the time it is much easier to bay a big boar than it is a 100 lb&#39;er. The big boars aren&#39;t scared of some dogs. If a bear felt the same way, it would probably be pretty tough to keep a pack of dogs going.

Even so, my dogs don&#39;t get cut every time out. Catch dogs are another story but the strike dogs are pretty good about it. Maybe the difference between my hog dogs and most bear hounds is that the hounds are used to a bear being more passive while bayed. That being the case, when they bay a hog they are not expecting the charge that is coming. Either that or the curs are just quicker, stronger, and probably quite a bit smarter than those damn hounds. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-cool-shades-down.gif

bayedsolid
09-07-2005, 04:56 PM
As far as vests slowing the dogs down. I don&#39;t run vests for that reason. They get hung up on the brush, the dogs aren&#39;t as agile in the thick stuff, they&#39;re hot, and they&#39;re uncomfortable. I carry a vest on my pack that I put on the catchdog once the other dogs have one bayed. It seems like they get cut more if they are running loose with vests on. But everyone has their own idea&#39;s on this one.

RIFLEMAN
09-08-2005, 12:45 AM
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That one hurts. You should have just ended the sentence right after for the sake of running hogs.[/b]
Aw, you don&#39;t have to be too sensitive about your stock dogs just cuz they can hunt anything that doesn&#39;t belong in a farmer&#39;s pen! They make nice pets, too! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-wnk-yellow.gif
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I&#39;ve often wondered why a 300 lb. ball of teeth, claws, and muscle would run from a few flea ridden mutts.[/b]
I guess it basically comes down to a family tradition otherwise known as inborn instinct; the ancestor of the bear was running from the ancestor of our dogs since the dawn of time.
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Besides the dogs sometimes getting wacked up, most of the time it is much easier to bay a big boar than it is a 100 lb&#39;er.[/b]
Yep, I&#39;ve experienced the same thing; the big boars will turn to fight the dogs a lot sooner than the smaller ones. Bear are no different; the big bears will bay sooner while the smaller bears will run the pads off the dogs if they feel like it.
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The big boars aren&#39;t scared of some dogs.[/b]
I think that the boars are reacting to the dogs in the same manner they would a pack of coyotes. The large boar figures that if he stops running and faces the dogs, they will eventually give up and seek an easier meal.
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I think it is more likely that the bear is less aggressive than the boar hogs. I&#39;ve watched many boar hogs making runs at the dogs and not just a single burst either. I&#39;ve watched them hook the dog 6 or 7 times while tossing them like a rag doll before spinning back around. If a bear did that, he would pull the dog in on the first charge and bite him in half.[/b]
This may be due to the defense mechanisms of each animal. The hog, more physically vulnerable to predation, must defend himself by the show of force and posturing as much as by the use of his cutters. I think the hog wins much of the battle for survival through intimidation because he is facing, not only superior numbers, but a predator of relatively equitable size. The bear on the other hand, knows that his size is a significant advantage, and is more content to stand his ground and protect his only areas of vulnerability (genitals, belly, and hind legs).
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Maybe the difference between my hog dogs and most bear hounds is that the hounds are used to a bear being more passive while bayed. That being the case, when they bay a hog they are not expecting the charge that is coming.[/b]
I think you have got yourself a point there, but I think that it goes far deeper than the mere habituation of the dogs to the behaviors of hogs and bear. I think that the hound and cur react differently because of how they were developed and what they were developed for. The hound is a dog that was developed for, and excels at, the pursuit of game--his superior nose, endurance, and range is testimony to this design. The cur is a dog that originated in large part as a herding dog and excels at the confinement of game--his agility, reflexes, and innate sense of knowing how far to push the quarry illustrates his purpose.
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Either that or the curs are just quicker, stronger, and probably quite a bit smarter than those damn hounds.[/b]
Touche! You got me back for the swipe about the "less versatile cur." Although, I will have you know that my 1/4 Blackmouth, 1/4 Lacey, 1/4 Catahoula and 1/4 Plott gets cut up as badly as my other hounds, if not more! Must be the Plott in him, I guess.

RIFLEMAN
09-08-2005, 12:53 AM
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As far as vests slowing the dogs down. I don&#39;t run vests for that reason. They get hung up on the brush, the dogs aren&#39;t as agile in the thick stuff, they&#39;re hot, and they&#39;re uncomfortable.[/b]
No argument there; though I must admit that my hounds haven&#39;t been cut since I began using the vests, I wish there was a way for me to avoid having to use them altogether. I guess you could say that I wish my current crop of hounds had the sense that your curs do!

drew
09-08-2005, 01:45 PM
i don&#39;t know if this was covered but dogs can also run hot using a vest a burn up a dog.

drew

my friends run woods and competetion dogs and only use cut collars i just started and my dogs bay kinda loose and don&#39;t use anything even with the pitbull.

Franklin3
09-19-2005, 09:43 PM
Great information guys.
Ive been preoccupied with getting my wifes house all dolled up for our daughters wedding. Everything came off without a hitch last saturday and I have to say that walking her down the aisls was about the proudest few minutes I ever felt in my life. The house is done, the wedding over I&#39;m leaving town wednesday to make use of the last few days of blacktail season. The wife told me No problem honey you done good so I won&#39;t ask you to do anything on the house for the entire year of 2006 you can do nothing but hunt and fish!
I&#39;m keeping an eye on this thread to see what more comes up.
Just to add to the story I remember a redbone hound My family had that used to love to chase racoons until he chased one into the water and got his head sat on and damn near drowned. I can&#39;t help but think my pitbull would have killed the coon. We had a little short legged black and tan strike dog, a bluetick that just would not leave deer alone, the redbone, a walker plott mix, and a pitbull. The pitbull generally stayed in the truck until we had something at bay and we walked him in. Had dogs cover miles and come back with shredded pads from running bear all night. It was an exciting time in my then youthful life.

wood pusher
12-07-2005, 01:49 PM
well well now pop! talkin bout puttin cleo on a hog mabey huh? i got dibs on the stickin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-ani.gif

RIFLEMAN
12-07-2005, 09:28 PM
Arrowslinger,

Do you have more staplers and wrap available for sale? Let me know and I&#39;ll buy some from you!

Thanks,

Josh