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10-31-2004, 08:44 AM
Ok...guys, I'm gonna throw this question out for discussion and info http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-cool-shades-down.gif
I am trying to find out ...is there really a need for the Challenged Hunter to have a place to call our own...basically how many have a hard time going hunting or fishing because there is no place to go...or no one to help http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-laugh-point-up-yellow.gif
I am wanting to set up a place that is just for the Challenged Hunter and I need some verification that there is a need http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana-man-yeah.gif
I know there is a need but some folks just can't see the big picture http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-wow-eyes-yellow.gif
Pass this subject around if you want to...I would like to get all the written info and replys that I can http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana-man-yeah.gif ...it will go a long way in getting this thing going http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana-man-yeah.gif http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana-man-yeah.gif
Thanks and please reply http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bowdown-purple.gif http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bowdown-purple.gif
10-31-2004, 10:15 AM
I have hunted Texas Parls and Wildlife drawing since 1989 and have had a wonderful experince on all. I am ambulatory with cane and have not had any difficulties. If you tell them before hand that you need accomodation they have always been great to provide it.
I dont know if it would be beneficial to have our own places or be intergrated into the mainstream with more accomodations in the hunting catagory.
If you are talking about something private I am ready to join and there is great need!!
See if this give you any ideas on what you need and want.
10-31-2004, 05:20 PM
Let me say from the perspective of a disabled hunter here in Ca. there are some bird hunting opps. only, Nothing in the way of big game we must compeat with abled body hunters and that can be tuff when all they want to do is road hunt or drive the flat lands where a disabled hunter could hunt, if the state would put some restriction or special hunts in some of these area's just for disabled life could and would be easier.
Good luck http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif
11-08-2004, 12:31 PM
To look at this correctly you must break it down into its basic componits. Lets take a short time and do this.
Disabled hunters are unable to set themselves safely to prime hunting areas and are restricted to well travled areas by other hunters. This puts them at a disadvantage right off.
Disabled hunters are unable to utilize cover and concealment to the extent that prime hunters are able to and this compounds the situation.
Disabled hunters are unable to safely put themselves near natural food plots that other hunters able to locate earlier in the season through scouting.
Disabled hunters if able to locate a prime hunting area will not be able to hunt the area as he will be the last to arrive at the area and must be the first to leave camp to goto the area. That is if he is not aided by someone else.
Disabled hunters must utilize a motorized vehicle of some sort to approch the area he is hunting spooking potential kills.
Disabled hunters can't, in most cases, quietly leave the blind to urinate and prevent discovery through smell.
Disabled hunters are not allowed to substitute their lack of access to natural food plots with artificial food plots.
Disabled hunters on even the best maintained hunting areas are restricted from hunting prime areas due to dangerous trails.
Disabled hunters have difficulty in getting permits for offroad vehicles on Type II lands, Texas. I have contacted TPW about obtaining a permit for my EZ GO Workhorse to drive in the Caddo Grass Lands near Bonham, Texas. I was told I needed to go to Decator, Texas to get the permit if you look on the map this is not a short drive. The permit is only good for a very small portion of the area. I later found I could contact the game warden and he may be able to issue the permit but nobody can seem to find him. (I guss I should go and shine a spot lite into the air in front of his office and let him find me)
I could go on and on!!
What I am saying is:
How many of you remember sitting at camp and rembering listening to a hunting partner bragging about killing a large buck and stating that he was not feeling well that morning. AS IF HIS HUNTING SKILLS WERE RESTRICTED BY SOME MEANS!
Disabled hunters are better hunters in all areas at hunting because they must be. They shoot better and longer, are quieter, and look out for one another more than any other group of hunters. They also look out for those hunters that are not disabled even though those hunters sometimes overlook them.
Should disabled hunters have special access to hunting land? Yes! Should states cater to disabled hunters? Yes!
Now this one may make some mad. Should states do the same and more for veterans? Hell Yes!!!! I don't care how you became disabled you served!! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif
To all the above, the hunting and fishing seasons are the times of the year that the state is able to take a part in the welfare of the disabled community. By doing so it will reduce the amount of depression and get some of us that are mostly homebound for one reason or another out of the house for a couple of days a year and it will cost so little to the state and the price to the disabled will nothing but happiness.
11-09-2004, 03:54 PM
Before I get started, "huntducks"...where you at in Calif.? send me a personal email, I'd like to talk with you more! Now, "sniper"...I'm just gettin' into this thing with the fellas here in CA. that need just what you've mentioned...but it's one hellacious political uphill pull. But I'm learnin' if you just keep badgerin' and badgerin' the "Powers that Be"...they WILL get back to ya'. You might not always like the answer they give ya', but you do get alternate approaches and slow but steady, you get a little closer to the objective. I'm a Vet too, and don't much care for havin' to deal with this "System" of ours, cause' I know how slow it works and how frustratin' that can be...but now that I'm committed to what I've set myself to, I'm gonna keep at it until they either satisfy me or shoot me! It doesn't seem that the "Access" issue, that I've begun with, should be all that hard to grant! We'll see!
I'll keep you Posted later, even though this activity is here in CA., maybe some of what comes of it, can be used in Texas. I got a cousin that lives with her husband in Paris. Ya'll take care and good huntin'
11-10-2004, 07:23 AM
let me know what your access plans are? You can email or post them!
Have you written a bill to present yet?
Have you contacted anyone at state level that will help you push it?
If so, Did you beat the crap out off him when you found out he was being paid
by a tree hugging special interest group? http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-soapbox.gif
This is my plan adapted for you in California.
Since you are a vet you have an advantage you may not realize yet or you may. Remember how the military just sticks with you!!! You must utilize this. Pull all your veteran resources in one place throughout the state and gather a petition with them. This will give you a tactical advantage over the state government as you are now placing the state government against the servents of the federal government. More than this you are placing the servents that have become disabled for any reason after serving and backing them with those who are lucky enough to have not become disabled. [Be careful don't judge a book by its cover, I am not in a wheel chair but I asure you I am just as disabled as any person in this forum so don't just fight for wheel chair access. Their are many disabilities. I am not in a wheel chair but I am mostly homebound.] You can then follow them by those than join you through other organizations but I would not seek them out directly as you will loose order in your command.
Relating to disability: Do not under any circumstances allow the state to define what disability and requirements are needed for access. You must do this. For example. If a person is allowed to park in a handicaped slot, over a certain age, or rated 100% or on Total and Perminant Unemployability through the VA <- just an example - you must do your own research. If the state is allowed to define it you will find that if you can crawl you will not have access. hehe.
You have now put the state in a position that if they deny your request to equalize hunting access they will upset even the liberals in the state. They know that they can't get rid off hunting all together and since they care more for equal rights and disabled individuals, animals, and enviroment have always been their favorite tool for leverage they will vote, if it must go that far, in favor. [I have learned this through talking with several liberal individuals that I know and posing the question in numerous ways. You must try this in your own state though.] Even though they don't look at the military in such a high esteem. This vote will not cause more animal deaths to them and it will not be approving a hunt on another breed of animal. The enviroment damage will also be minimal and it would allow for safer hiking trails during off seasons. Boy did the libs love that one.
California will also be facing other states veterans that will be frustrated along with the entire disabled community of the nation. The news will take it and state that the returning military members that are returning from the War on Terror to California will not have equal and fair access to hunting lands in California. You now have the state were you want them. This will in turn cause other less strict states to follow suite and may do so sadly do before California to prevent their redicule.
What you must remember in negotiations is to always ask for more than you want because when it moves through the state Senate it will be amended and broken down and taken apart. What you get will either be less or more than you wanted bepending on the pressure the citizens are putting on the state. This is why you must get the word out within the disabled community as an "FAIR and EQUAL ASSESS issue" not a "Hunting issue" and make any attempts to keep hunting groups out of the spotlite unless they are dedicated to "DISABLED HUNTING AND FISHING".
I Hope this helps you. This is a portion of the plan that I have been formulating for Texas. I have spent alot of time formulating this plan and reading alot on negotiations and political strategy. I have taken my time and although I think everything looks good and in words in looks good it has come to look too easy. This may be because I have spent so much time on it and not shared it with anyone. If you fail to put the state at a disadvantage from the start you will certainly fail. This is why you must keep the news out of it the best that you can until you are able to put the petition and everything else is ready. You may also want to locate an attorney that is disabled and is also a hunter that has an interest and willing to work with you in developing the bill you wish to present. This will reduce your chances of errors.
12-06-2004, 12:52 PM
Iím not sure if this will help you or not but Houston safari Club conducts a challenged hunt every year, mainly it for youth. We also take orphans on a hunt the next day, this all done through HSC. Also other cities may have something you may also call Safari Club International they maybe able to help.
Yes, I believe there is need for such a place. I used to bring a disabled hunter with me a lot, but he got tired of not getting any shots. He would see deer but didn't have the confidence that one would ever come close (he used a bow). It was some what true, because of his wheelchair he had a difficult time getting deep enough into the woods. Great idea and I support it 100%.
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