JHO & Desert Bull Arizona Javelina/deer hunt

[Orso]

I remember reading a thread where some JHOers planned an Arizona hunt for Archery Javelina/deer last January 2003. There was one guy who provided scouting reports for everyone (for a fee I believe). Anyways, how did that turn out? Would you guys do it again? Does anyone want to do it again? I can't believe the hunt would be too expensive, especially if we camped on public land.

Any thoughts?

[sdbowyer]

Well I went and yes, it was very inexpensive. A member who normally provides this paid service directed us to a fine piece of public land and we saw LOTS of deer and a few javelina. Nobody came back with anything, but now that we've explored the area we could have some success if we put more than 3 days in. I'd be interested in going again but can't give a commitment at this time. I'm sure some JHP guys will go again.

[Speckmisser]

As always, it's hard for me to plan that far out, but I'm definitely interested in going this year (finances and work permitting).

It sounds like the guys had a blast last year, and with a little experience on the ground now, success will possibly be higher.

[bubba]

I am definbitely planning to make it this next time out. I wasn't a bow hunter the last time out. I should have plenty of time ( thank you Pfizer for the time off ).

[One Track]

Though we didn't score, it was an exceptional hunt. I had two opportunities at javelina. Just didn't close the deal. We saw 40-50 deer a day. Getting within bow range of a buck is another story. I did have a 30 yard op at the group of muley does.

Last year, Jeff "Coues" provided "the first eight guys to commit" with a free scouting report. I can't speak for him, but I think it was extremely generous, and a way of promoting Desert Bulll Scouting Service.

I would like to see a group of us hire Jeff to do a few days of scouting for January 2004. His rates are very affordable. Correct me if I'm wrong Coues. I think it's $150 for a full day of scouting including a full report with GPS, photos and detailed information. A group of guys can split the cost. So for two days of scouting at $300, six guys would pay $50 each. Cheap. Although, his rates may have gone up since.

Of course, we could go back to the same place for free, now that we know about it. However, it would be most honorable to pay for the quality service. Maybe Coues would check out a few other areas, and compare to the area we hunted last year.

In my opinion, I think that the "original eight" that received the scouting information last year, should keep it to themselves.

All I know (not much) is that when I pull a quality tag in Arizona for elk, deer, goat, or sheep, my first call will be to the Desert Bull himself. He's also going to make someone a good wife someday. His venison stew is spectacular.

Any thoughts on this thread Jeff?

[Orso]

I am definitely in for splitting the cost of some scouting. Even though some of the guys who went last year know the area, a new report could only benefit us. I will be gone for the weekend but, when I get back I will contact "Desert Bulll Scouting Service" and start the ball rolling. Maybe someone who went last year might want to contact him as well and see what we can do on the price (???).

[BDB]

I was just talking to a guy 2 days ago at a local archery shop that did this last year (I don't think he was a JHP'er) and it sounded great.

Sounds like a great and inexpensive trip to me. If it is for late January, I'm in. I will be away for two weeks returning about the 8th. I'd be up for paying for the scouting also, no problem.

[One Track]

I'll email this thread to Jeff at Desert Bull, and let him get the ball rolling. He's probably out scouting for speed goats right now.

[Speckmisser]

I'm all for throwing some ducats Jeff's way too. Is he still around the forum?

[fpscabs]

This is sounding pretty good. I be happy to anti up for this.

[One Track]

Jeff "Coues" will show up sooner or later. I got an email from him a few weeks ago. We need to get him out here for the JHP POR. Maybe pay is way, in exchange for some scouting in AZ.

Oh, by the way, I'm jumping on a boat tonight. Going to slay the Albacore!

[sdbowyer]

Nice OneTrack. Get us some Tuner steaks!

[One Track]

Dude, I've been giving a ton away, trying to make room in the freezer for this trip. I can bring some to work next week, and you can swoop on it.

[techman]

Where in Az did this hunt take place?
I will be leaving on Jan. 1 for area 36a,36b. I have hunted this area for the last five years. It is a great hunt. The javies aren't plentiful but there are deer everywhere.
http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-dancin-red.gif

[Coues]

I&#39;m here!

The applications for Javelina will out sometime in the next 4-5 weeks. The unit to apply for is unit 33/37B. If you need any help with the apps, just give me a call or write and I&#39;ll help ya out. The unit has been 100% draw, so don&#39;t apply unless you plan on coming over!

I would love to go to a POR! Been tryingto get over there for one, but just haven&#39;t been able to make the dates work. Hopefully this year.

Jeff

[rusman66]

Sounds like a good plan to me. We should definately send some business to Desertbull. It is a fun hunt. And don&#39;t forget those hi powered optics http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-wow-eyes-yellow.gif

[muskrat89]

Wooo - hoooooooooo 37B is practically me! If you guys need a staging area, let me know. I&#39;m about 15 miles from Florence. Of course, I&#39;ll have to tag along... http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-dancin-red.gif

[Coues]

Speaking of optics. I just got these Minox 15x58&#39;s. The Pentax were a great glass for the $$$, but these Minox are SSSweeeet!

I took this picture yesterday while scouting Mule Deer for a customer from San Diego.

If you guys want to lock up a couple of days scouting, I&#39;ll set aside 2 days in mid Decemeber to do it. I want to find a couple more herds of pigs down there to hunt.

Does everyone want to go to the same place as last year? The only thing negative about that area is that the buck to doe ratio sucks! But, last year there was no rutting go on because of the severe drought. It&#39;s a little better this year.

We can also make a side trip into 37B for a day to chase some pigs up there. More pigs, less deer. But the Deer are bigger!

I Plan on doing alot more pre-dawn hiking this year to get into the more remote areas.

BTW, I lost 40 lbs over the summer (thanks Dr. Atkins! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana-man-yeah.gif ) and have up&#39;ed my running to 2 miles a day, 6 days a week. I am ready to climb those hills even better than before!

http://members.cox.net/jeff_rogers/pictures/minox.jpg

[Orso]

I have sent Coues an email and am getting the process started. As I have never put a hunt together here at Jesse&#39;s why doesn&#39;t everyone who is interested send my an email (mipg2934@pacbell.net) I can then create a list and group to send out information.

Is two days of scouting ok? More, less?

Are the same two areas as last year, 33 and 37b OK with everyone? It sounded like everyone saw animals last year.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks

[Boar Tracks CA]

How Much$$$$$$$$ and what are the dates tags,lic.ect. to get going

[One Track]

I think Russman and I were the only ones to see pigs last year. Jeff seemed to think that the drought affected the numbers. Please correct me if I&#39;m wrong. I really liked the area that we hunted last year. However, I would like to have our scout check out another area or two. Then, make the call the week before. Over a three week period, with JHPers arriving at intervals, very few pigs were spotted. (I can&#39;t complain, having two opportunities.) Also, it seemed like that spot might not be big enough for more than eight of us, at the same time. I also like the idea of (37b) more pigs, less deer, but bigger deer. And, it might be nice to learn a different area. However, I don&#39;t know what was on the other side of the giant ridge south of the dirt road. Might be just as much huntable area over there.

Is 37b a bigger area? I sure don&#39;t mind the idea of a longer hike. I&#39;d even bivy out for a night or two.

Jeff: Congrats on the weight loss. I&#39;d be afaid to try and keep up with you now.

Also, Speckmisser is putting together a Tejon JHP pig hunt in May. Let&#39;s buy a spot for Coues, in exchange for two days of scouting. Split it eight ways, or somethin&#39; like that. Maybe buy a third day of scouting if needed.

If I recall, lic. is $112, javelina tag is $65. Archery deer $112 (?)

I&#39;m there no matter what!

[Orso]

For 2003, the non-resident general hunt license was $113.50, the 3day non-resident general hunt license was $51.50. Plus a $2.00 transaction fee. A hunt permit tag for javelina was $68.00. I have not found any information on the spring deer hunt on the website, but I will and I will post that soon.

Coues&#39; fees (per his website at http://www.desertbull.com/) are either $150.00 for an 8 hour day or $200.00 for an 8 hour day depending on which unit he scouts. Please take a look at his website as he describes exactly what you get for your money. This scouting fee would be split amongst all willing particpants.

I am not familar with hunting in Arizona so all suggestions should be posted so we all can decide what we want to do.

I would definitely want to hunt Javelina!! With deer secondary. That&#39;s just my preference.

Let&#39;s see how many people are really interested and we can decide on how many days we would want him to scout for us. Send me a PM or email if you are interested. If we can work something out with a POR hunt for Coues then that&#39;s cool too, as long as everyone is happy.

One Track brings up some good points about how many hunters the area will hold at one time and the number of animals in the unit. Maybe Coues has some suggestions for this year that might yield more game. ??? I imagine that Arizona has a similar system as California in respects to Field Biologists and Game Wardens. I will start contacting these people and see what kind of information I can get.

[muskrat89]

Seriously guys - I&#39;m interested too. I live between Queen Creek and Coolidge guys are welcome to hang out here, if needed. I haven&#39;t hunted in AZ yet, and am keen to get started... http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[Coues]

The places I hunt 33 and 37b are like night and day as far as terrain goes. 33 is a lot of climbing, glassing, hiking. 37 is all cactus and dry desert washes. It&#39;s up to you guys on which area you want to hunt.

I am confident that I can find some more herds of pigs in 33, in the area we hunted last year. It just might take some serious hiking to do get to them. I know for a fact that there are some P&Y Coues Deer and Mule deer in that part of the unit.

You might go 2-3 days in 37b without seeing a deer at all, but when you do see him, there is a good chance he&#39;ll be big.

For those of you that came last year, we mostly hunted right there near camp. There is a whole lot more area to hunt down there. We could set up 2camps if more than 8 want to come. One camp where we had it last year and another camp for those that want tobackpack into a more remote area.

Or, we could set up one camp in 33 and one in 37b. Whatever you guys want, I&#39;ll try to accomodate you.

Jeff

[Mel Carter]

It&#39;s very possible i&#39;d be interested in this deal. Your mentioning 33 and 37b, can you hunt either zone with the tag? or is the tag specified to 33 or 37b, same question for the Javalina, I&#39;ve always wanted to hunt Javalina. Are there tags leftover after the draw for deer and the Javalina or do we need to put in for draw?

Thanks, Mel

[Orso]

When the JHPers did this hunt last year was it only Archery?

Mel - For the Javelina, under the 2003 regs for Archery, unit 33 and 37b can be hunted with the same permit tag.

Coues - Just so everyone is clear (sorry I haven&#39;t had a chance to check this out myself), can the Javelina and Deer be hunted with rifle, or is it an archery only hunt?

[Coues]

The deer / javelina hunt in January is archery only. There are no over the counter rifle tags in AZ for either species. There are USUALLY tags left over, but not always. I would apply in the drawing. If you apply, you will get a tag.

Ther is no drawing for archery deer tags. Just buy it online or at WalMart, bait shop, gun store, etc.

[rusman66]

It don&#39;t matter where we go cuz im gonna get me one of those fancy j-33 calls, http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-dancin-red.gif the kind like onetrack has.
Seriously though I am in.

[Bishop]

Is there any interest in a H.A.M. hunt? And Coues. Is this a possibility in the areas you scout?

[Orso]

Bishop,

If I am reading the regulations correctly for 2003, the HAM hunt for units 33 and 37b start Feb 14 and run to Feb 20. Where as the Javelina 33/37b hunt is all of Jan. Also, I believe for the HAM hunt, to hunt both 33 and 37b you would have to put in for two seperate tag permits to hunt both areas.

[One Track]

I strongly suggest ordering a J-13 javelina call from www.javelinahunter.com. It works like nothing I&#39;ve seen before. Very similar to a varmint call. Money well spent, as Russman can attest.

I&#39;m in!

[Coues]

Russ and Onetrack:

Don&#39;t forget to buy your racoon tag!

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[rusman66]

Ohhh! That is just wrong http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-shakehead-blue.gif

[One Track]

Nice.

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[Mel Carter]

Ok, lets see if I got this right. You can get an over the counter archery tag for the deer, which I assume is an any deer tag. And the Javelina you put in for the draw. Now, under the first choice does it matter if you put down 33 or 37B? and do you put the other unit number in the second choice just in case you don&#39;t draw the first choice. And if you draw one you can hunt both units under the same tag. Sorry for the questions, but is this anywhere close.

Thanks, Mel

[Orso]

Mel,

Javelina H.A.M. hunts - Unit 33 and 37B are two seperate hunts and you would have to apply for two seperate tag permits to hunt both units under H.A.M restricitions. And, if the regulations allow for multiple tag permits, which I don&#39;t know if they do or don&#39;t.

Javelina Archery - Units 33 and 37B are applied for under the same tag permit drawing. If you get drawn for this hunt, you can hunt both 33 and 37B any time during the open season with archery.

I believe that units 33 and 37B are both in the southeastern portion of Arizona. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Hunts are applied for by a "hunt number", the hunting area would be the specific unit or units which correspond with each "hunt number". For example hunt 5073 may cover archery only for areas 33 and 37B. Take a look at the Arizona fish and games website, it is an extremely well done site. ( http://www.gf.state.az.us/index.html )

[Mel Carter]

I see, thanks for the responce.

Mel

[Mel Carter]

Ok, I printed out all the information from AZ fish and game web site, now I just need to see if the dates will work. Do you guys have an idea of when your thinking of doing this. This sounds like a fun deal, hope I can make it work.

Thanks, Mel

[One Track]

January 7 - 11 or 14 - 18 for me.

[rusman66]

It looks like I will be free around http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-rock.gif the 5th through the 13th

[Orso]

As of right now I am free the entire month and should be able to take off for 4 or 5 days of hunting (plus drive time).

Why doesn&#39;t everyone post on this thread when they can make the trip and we can start to narrow this thing down.

I will call Coues on Friday and get him to lock down two days of scouting for us. I will also send him the deposit (don&#39;t leave me hangin guys). Unless otherwise advised by the guys on this thread I will have him scout units 33 and 37b.

I have received a couple of PM&#39;s from you guys that are serious about going. If you are going to go and pitch in for the scouting fee then please send me a PM as soon as possible so I know how many guys we are looking at. The one comment that Coues suggested was that we keep the group to around 8 people as to not overcrowd the areas. Another thought he had was we could set up two groups, one in each area....I don&#39;t know...What do you guys think???

The reason I would like the PM is because anyone can post a thread about wanting to go, but I figure if you are really serious one additional email couldn&#39;t hurt just to have an accurate account. That&#39;s fair, huh???

I will ask Coues to post a message after he receives the deposit so everyone knows that this is locked down and that this hunt WILL happen.

[One Track]

Bueno.

[Coues]

All of these mule deer were killed in 37b!

I have seen many deer like this in this unit and some even bigger. You just have to look long and hard for them.


http://community.webshots.com/album/83163555jTVMdW

[muskrat89]

Coues - I&#39;ll be hitting the Queen Valley area, first few weekends of deer season. Any hints? If I don&#39;t score, I might join you guys this winter, at least for a few days.... http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bowdown-purple.gif

[Coues]

I&#39;ve seen a few nice deer around the flood control dam area and the hills to the north of there.

send me an e-mail and I can give you other places close to the east valley that have some good deer.

azhunter@desertbull.com

[bubba]

Anytime in January is good for me.

[fpscabs]

9th and 10th have a guided pig hunt at Tejon that I won. Taking my son out for his 12th birthday on the 10th. All he wants is to shoot a pig.

16-20th (3 day weekend)
23rd-26th

Wife says if I clean the back yard, I can go http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-dancin-red.gif She said by January, I might be able to get it done. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-hair-raisin-blue.gif It is hard to do yard work when your weekends are spent somewhere else (next truely free weekend is in.......December 13th, maybe). I have a special, "return to nature" yard. It is an experiment to see how nature will reclaim its own. I am working on the 5 year plan. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-ren.gif

[Coues]

Hey guys,
I&#39;ve been out of town for the weekend.

Orso:
I got your phone message today. When is a good time to call you?

Mel,
If you don&#39;t archery hunt, you can still use the scouting report for a rifle or ML&#39;er hunt in Feb. Orso is partly correct. You can only hunt one unit during the firearms hunts in most cases and you cannot get multiple tags. Either 33 or 37b. There are no deer hunts during eitherof the firearms hunts

FYI: If you guys like to quail hunt, you can do that during the Jan. season also. So, if you get a pig early, you can blast some birds (tons of them in the desert). Also coyotes, bobcats, Coati Mundi (they have great pelts) etc.

Looking forward to helping you guys out!

Going bear hunting on Wed. Be back on Monday.

Jeff

[One Track]

Coues:

Good luck on the bear hunt.

Do people eat Coatimundi? If so, do you need a tag?

[Coues]

You don&#39;t need a tag.

You can eat them. Of coarse, you can eat a turd too, but wouldn&#39;t advise it.

[fpscabs]

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-funny-post-sign.gif

[One Track]

Very profound.

[Coues]

OK, Orso sent in a deposit on 2 days of scouting.
I will do 1 day of scouting in unit 37B and one in unit 33.
The dates will be November 29th and December 5th. Plus, I will try to add in a few more hours of scouting here and there during the December archery deer season as I have time.

The apps should be available soon for the Javelina Permits.


Thanks
Jeff

[One Track]

Sounds good to me.

[Orso]

Excellent!!

I will let everyone know when the tags/drawing become available online.

[Coues]

The apps should be available this week. Probably Thursday or Friday.

[Orso]

So far the guys who seem serious about this trip are ME(Orso), One Track, Bubba, Rusman66. And then possibly Fpscabs, and bighorn67 is showing some interest.

[bighorn67]

So, do we have specific dates yet? How many days are we talking about hunting. License options are 51.50 for 3 days or 113.50 for one year. It would help me a lot if we did this over a weekend. I teach middle school. The less my students see a substitute, the better. I am free the whole month of January.

Orso,

I&#39;ll send you my part of the scout fee soon.

Thanks for picking up the ball on this one.

Dave

[One Track]

BigHorn:

Not sure of the exact dates for me, yet. Maybe, 1/7 -1/11. It will definitely be a Wed-Sun hunt for me. You can hunt anytime during January. However, it would be fun to have a group of us there at the same time. Man, you should take at least a Friday off of work if you can.

Another thought - if you purchase the annual lic. you can put in for Elk, Deer, Sheep and Antelope for the fall of "04. By buying the lic. you get a bonus point for the next year&#39;s drawing - if so inclined of course.

Should be fun.

[bighorn67]

I don&#39;t mind taking a couple of days off. I just don&#39;t want to have to take 4 or 5 days.

I&#39;ll give the other hunts some thought, but I have limited freezer space. Hopefully even less after the Jan hunt.

Dave

[One Track]

Dave:

I&#39;d be happy to store some elk meat for you.

[Orso]

Any dates work for me right now. I wouldn&#39;t mind a Wed - Mon hunt. Drive on Wed and drive on Mon...Hunt Thurs, Fri, Sat, Sun.

I would like to be there with a few guys at one time.

Bubba - What dates are good for you?

[bubba]

As it stands right now, I am open all of January. Whatever you guys decide.

[Speckmisser]

There&#39;s still an awful lot up in the air for the first of the year, but I&#39;d love to join the fun too if possible.

I&#39;m gonna lay back and watch this thread until I have something solid, though.

[bighorn67]

Sounds like that "One Track" mind is at it again!

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-wnk-yellow.gif

Dave

[Coues]

Bighorn:

FYI You can&#39;t use the 3 day license for Javelina. You have to buy the year long license for all big game in AZ.

[bohunter3]

I&#39;d be interested for sure, just waiting for the date to see if I can go w/my bow. 2nd/3rd/4th week in january are good for me.

[bighorn67]

Thanks Coues. I guess it&#39;s the 1 year license. I don&#39;t want to get stuck standing 20 yards from a deer with no tag.

Dave

[Orso]

I have read where due to the drought that Javelina and mule deer numbers are down (Like that isn’t the case everywhere). However, I understand the AZ F&G might lower tag permits to compensate for the lower numbers. I have put in a call (left a voice mail) to the field biologists that cover units 33 and 37B to get their input. I have also left a voice mail for the biologists that cover units 36 A,B,C to get their opinions also.

Coues – Even with possible lower tags available, in your opinion is getting a tag certain?

[Coues]

They have been lowering tag #&#39;s almost every year. Last year there were hundreds of tags leftover for unit 33/37b.

[bighorn67]

When you apply for the hunt, it is hunt #5072. Someone may have put this up already, but I did it just in case. Don&#39;t apply with the zone numbers use the hunt numbers.

Dave

Coues,

Will we need any kind of stamp for quail hunting? In CA we need the "upland game" stamp.

[One Track]

Dave:

Yes, you will need an upland game stamp. You can get that when you get your lic. online. Pieco &#39;o cake.

[Coues]

spring 2004 regulations (http://www.gf.state.az.us/pdfs/h_f/spring_hunt_regs.pdf)


apply for hunts online (http://www.arizona-hunt.com/apps/)

[Orso]

O.K boys and girls...It&#39;s show time!!

It looks like we have until 10-14-03 to put in our applications. I guess after the drawing we can nail down some dates to hunt and finalize everyones cash participation for the scouting to be done by Coues.

I spoke with the Field Biologist for unit 33 and he was encouraging about both 33 and 37B, though he said it will be some tough hunting for the deer. I will post information on the conversation after I hear back from a couple of other F&G guys call me back.

HUNT #5072

[Coues]

All archery hunting for deer is tough.

You guys will see PLENTY of deer.

[One Track]

CONCURE!

[Orso]

Don&#39;t forget to get your applications in.

[techman]

I would love to be with this group it sounds like a really good time but I have committed to another group(Standing 5 year committment).

Orso: You stated that you were going to talk to the biologist for 36 a,b,c also.
Have you heard any thing??

:JHP rocks:

[Orso]

Techman,

Does that mean you are still going to hunt AZ for Javelina and deer in January? Good luck and please post any photos after your hunt.

I have not heard back from the two biologists that cover units 36 a,b,c. I did however hear back from the biologists that cover 33 and 37b. They both said that 36a,b,c are decent zones. (I don&#39;t have my notes in front of me so I am going by memory). They said to keep your eye on your gear in the two units which are closer to the border as you could have a potential problem of illegals going through your camp. They didn&#39;t make it seem dangerous, it&#39;s just that they both made the same comment, unsolicited (sp??). They also said that kind of a problem would most likely happen in the warmer months, rather than in Jan.

[techman]

Orso:
I will be there the first week in Jan. The party that I go with have been going for about the last 7 straight years. We have always gone to 36b, camped in the wildlife refuge and although we have seen our share of illegels we have never had any trouble but then again we don&#39;t go looking for it either. I was considering going to 33 this year but it is hard to change areas when your hunting group is wtill going to the same area.
We have only had moderate success though. There seems to be a lot of deer and only a few javies??

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[kphunter]

Speaking of hogs, anyone hunt for Javelina in Unit 19B in AZ? The success rate is fairly good in this unit, and the AZGFD says it has a healthy population of Javelina.

Thanks,

KP

[rhaney]

Ill will hopefully be hunting Javelina in another unit, however if I am lucky early would be interested in possibly doing a little deer hunting down south. I have a 34a rifle tag in november.

[Orso]

I am no expert here, but should this thread be moved to the JHO events page???

Does anyone know how to move it, or are we OK just leaving it here?

[bighorn67]

I just put in my application on line. Boy did they make it easy! Way to go AZ fish and game. I&#39;m really looking forward to this hunt. It will be my first out of state hunt. I&#39;ve got a new bow to break in, so maybe I&#39;ll get blood on my arrow other than my own. Have we settled on specific dates yet?

Dave

[muskrat89]

OK, guys - my app is in. Hopefully I&#39;ll get drawn and be able to hook up with you somewhere. If I haven&#39;t scored my mulie by then, maybe I can do that too...Depending on where Coues et al camps us out, my house is available as a base camp.... http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bowdown-purple.gif

[bighorn67]

What will the weather be like?

[One Track]

Highs in the 70&#39;s. Lows in the 40&#39;s. 25% change of rain. Partly cloudy, partly sunny. 100% unpredictable.

We got a few hours of rain last year. No big deal, if you had raingear.

[Orso]

OK...I just submitted my online application.

Don&#39;t forget to submit your application before the deadline, which is tomorrow.

Has everyone got their applications in???

[spectr17]

I just got my app in for 33/37 bow. I&#39;m good for the 1st 3 weeks of Jan, the weekend of 23-24 I&#39;ll be in Reno.

[bighorn67]

Could those who are thinking of specific dates please post them? I am free the whole month, but need some dates to lock on

Dave

[One Track]

Undecided.

Either 1/7 - 1/11, or 1/14 - 1/18.

[bighorn67]

In case any of you are checking the AZ game and fish web site, You will get a message that says they can&#39;t find your info in the records. This just means that they haven&#39;t done the draw yet. I talked with them on the phone and was told that it would be another 2 weeks or so.

Dave

[sdbowyer]

I could have sworn this was an either-sex arhcery deer hunt zone last year. I was looking at the REGS and it says Antlered Only this year. Anyone have info on this for 37B?

[One Track]

I believe it&#39;s either sex in the unit we hunted last year, and Buck Only in 37b.

[sdbowyer]

I&#39;m having memory problems. I thought we were in 37B. Where are you seeing either sex OneTrack. I&#39;m looking at page 14 of this PDF and only see Any Antlered Deer:

AZDFG PDF (http://www.gf.state.az.us/pdfs/h_f/fall_hunt_regs.pdf)

[Coues]

37B is always Antered Deer only. 33 is usually either sex for the month of January.

[One Track]

You&#39;re right. I can&#39;t find it in the book. I remember that being a challenge last year. Could it have changed this year? Jeff?

[Coues]

Looks like there are no either sex archery hunts this year. It&#39;s antlered deer only in ALL units.

Too many fires and not enough rain.

[Orso]

I wish they would complete the draw already!! I am really looking forward to this hunt.

[prohunter]

Got in late on this one. I am very interested in Archery Mule deer if I can get them over the counter. I am free all of Jan. So when ever the group decides I am in!

[bighorn67]

The draw is done. I got drawn. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-dancin-red.gif

Dave

[Orso]

OK...I got drawn as well. Most excellent!! However, the dollars have not been withdrawn from my account yet. I will feel better when the money has been paid.

[muskrat89]

Me too! Looking forward to a plan http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[One Track]

I&#39;m in!

Pro:

That would be an OTC deer tag. Muley or Coues. If you don&#39;t score in January, it&#39;s still good until the end of 2004. I actually have that &#39;03 tag burning a hole in my backpack.

[Coues]

Prohunter:

All archery deer tags are over the counter. There are no leftover archery Javelina tags in 33/37b this year. First time ever.


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What dates are you guys hunting?

[bighorn67]

Coues,

Is unit 33 either sex deer?

Does anyone have specific dates they are thinking of for this hunt? How about the 15th through the 19th?

[Orso]

All right, since the draw has been made let&#39;s have everyone who was drawn belly up to the board with the dates they would be available for a hunt. Bighorn67 has started, anyone else? I am good with any date during Jan though I would prefer not to hunt on or around the 8th of Jan as it is my Mothers birthday. Let&#39;s get a final count of who has been drawn and we can muster up the coinage for the scouting services.

After Coues sends me the scouting reports (in December I think) I will make sure all parties involved get a copy.

[Orso]

Suggested dates to meet for hunt

Bighorn67 - 15th - 19th
Orso - any date except the 8th - 10th

[prohunter]

Any date for me, but I will be doing Mule deer hunting. Are they in the same area?

[Orso]

Suggested dates to meet for hunt

Bighorn67 - 15th - 19th
Orso - any date except the 8th - 10th (unless all other dates fail)
Prohunter - any date OK

Prohunter - I believe units 33 and 37b are adjacent. I hope I answered your question.

[muskrat89]

I have no preference. I&#39;ll probably be hunting out of my house, though you never know. You guys planning a base camp? I can take some vacation days for whenever we plan. I&#39;m about 15 miles west of Coolidge, if anyone needs a couch. Looking forward to it!!

Marshall MacFarlane
mmac@cenazcom.net

[bighorn67]

I&#39;m not stuck on the 15th-19th. I could also do the 22nd-26th. I think Jesse said he couldn&#39;t do the last weekend. That being Superbowl weekend, I think several people will be otherwise occupied.

Dave

[rusman66]

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif No left over tags? thats a pisser.
First time for everything http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-rolleyes-green.gif
Well you guys should have a good time.

[sdbowyer]

Wow, I&#39;m glad I didn&#39;t send my money in for a license and a leftover tag. Last year it seemed so easy to get a leftover. No leftover Javelina and no either sex deer makes it easier to make my decision. I wanted to join you guys again this year. RATS! Are you 100% sure about no leftovers?

[Coues]

There are some leftover piggy tags in unit 37A which is right across the hiway from 37b.


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Orso, did you get my e-mail?

[muskrat89]

OK, guys - who&#39;s in charge?? Let&#39;s get going on a plan... http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-biggrin-aqua.gif

Personally, I can&#39;t wait, and am hoping to meet some of you! woo hoooooooooo


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[bighorn67]

At this point we are trying to see if there is a date that most people can agree on. I am open to most anything.

I did see that AZ game and fish got their money from me. I&#39;m good to go.

Dave

[Orso]

In charge? I guess that would be me.

Coues - Yes, I received your email and everything seems fine. I will try and wrap this up so we can get you the balance ASAP.

The dates for the scouting are currently set for - November 29th for unit 33 and Dec 20th for unit 37B

Suggested dates to meet for hunt

Bighorn67 - 15th - 19th
Orso - any date except the 8th - 10th (unless all other dates fail)
Prohunter - any date OK ****(are you still in?)****
muskrat89 - any date OK
One Track - Still in? Dates - Either 1/7 - 1/11, or 1/14 - 1/18

I am going to send a PM to the following people tonight and try to nail this thing down... Spectr17, Bohunter3, One Track, and Bubba. After going through the previous posts I believe they are the most likely to have sent in the applications. Any one else who wants to get in on this should speak up on this thread or send me a PM as soon as possible. Let&#39;s try to get a firm list of guys by this coming weekend and then we can get Coues his ducats.

Let&#39;s agree upon hunt dates, get a basic game plan together about when and where to meet and HOOK-UP!!

After Coues has scouted and sends me the reports I will make sure everyone who bellied up will get a copy.

[prohunter]

I am still in for archery muley&#39;s. It sounds like I can get those over the counter. Practiced with my bow yesterday for an hour! Can&#39;t wait.

[spectr17]

Weekend of 8-11th works the best for me. I can do the 2nd weekend of 16-18th maybe.

[Coues]

FYI: ONETRACK is in Idaho chasing deer for the next 10 days, but I know that he got his tag and will be coming over.

[bighorn67]

The 8th-11th will work for me too. At this point the last weekend is not good for me.

Dave

[Orso]

Coues will be scouting for us Dec 20-21 and not one day in Nov and one in Dec as stated earlier. I think this is good as it will be closer to our hunt dates.

It looks like we have a firm 6 hunters....Orso, Bighorn67, Spectr17, Prohunter, Muskrat89, and I am pretty sure One Track is in (but we will confirm after his current hunting trip).

It also looks good for the hunt to take place approx Jan 7th through Jan 11th give or take a day on either end. Of course everyone is free to come and go for the entire month of January as they want, but it would be nice to meet and see everyone.

However, One Track is not here to confirm if this all works with him so lets all be a little patient until he gets back. I want to make sure everyone is comfortable with this deal and hunt dates are OK to the majority if not all.

[Mel Carter]

I&#39;ve been watching this thread daily, man I wish I was able to make this hunt. My dad lives in Kingman, and I&#39;ve always wanted to hunt AZ, just not able to make it happen this trip. Good luck to you guys, can&#39;t wait to here how the hunt goes.

Coues, looks like you have a great sevice going. If I don&#39;t jump in on a hunt with you guys next year, I may have you do some scouting for me and my buddy. Probably will be a little close to Kingman in area 16A, this way I can just stay at my dads for the hunt. Is 16A worth a try or should I consider the areas you guys are heading to in January?
Again, good luck to you all.

[bighorn67]

So far we are waiting to see if One Track can go from the 7th-11th. If he can do that, are we on for those dates? They work for me although I may be getting in pretty late on the 7th. I can&#39;t take that day off, so I&#39;ll have to leave after work.

Where do we want to camp?

Dave

[prohunter]

or is there some place we can meet up and drive over to arizona?

[bighorn67]

I don&#39;t think you will want to wait to meet me. I won&#39;t be getting started on the trip till about 1:00pm. I&#39;ll need to know where everone is camping and go straight there.

Dave

[Orso]

I will be traveling by myself because after the hunt I will be moving further south in Arizona to meet family.

I have no idea where to camp!! Maybe when One Track gets back we can all have some disccussion on that. I know Spectr17 and One Track hunted in this area last year. And, Muskrat89 lives in Arizona. I have no idea as to where to camp. I just bought a Delorme map of AZ. and I will be studying the hunt units over the next couple of weeks.

[muskrat89]

I&#39;m the Assistant Editor (and a writer) with the Arizona Outdoorsman magazine. If it&#39;s OK with you guys, I might try to make this into a story, either for the magazine, or our website - surely, something interesting will happen! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cross-fingers.gif

[Orso]

My name in print?? WooHoo!! I was wondering when my 15mins might come.

[bighorn67]

Maybe we can get a movie deal!!!

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Permission granted. Write whatever you want. It&#39;s all true.

I&#39;ll make a point to get some goods photos for you. Do you prefer digital, or slides? I can do either.

[Orso]

Just received my Javelina tag in the mail yesterday. WooHoo!!

[One Track]

Hey Y&#39;all:

Sorry for the delay. Had to go to Idaho for ten days. The uneventful story will be in the Muley Forum soon.

One Track and Buck Eye are confirmed for Javelina. Tags in hand. However, I still can&#39;t commit to the 7th - 11th. I might have to make it the following week. Depends on my wife&#39;s business trip. Don&#39;t wait for me. It would be great to be there at the same time as you all. However, I don&#39;t want to screw up your plans.

Coues will give us details on where to camp. We&#39;ll be hunting one of two areas. Or, both. There is a camping area at each location. We should keep the location details to a minimum in print, as we&#39;re paying for classified HOT information.

Orso: Please let me know where to send my share.

Best to all,

Brent

[Coues]

Yes, please do not put the location out here for everyone to see. I had a great place ruined by doing that.

[Orso]

I am out of here for a few days so everyone have a good turkey day.

One Track - I hope you can make the 7th - 11th dates. However, I am free any time if the dates did change. I&#39;ll let you all finalize the dates.

[muskrat89]

bighorn - digital is fine, the bigger the better. They are easier to shrink, than they are to make bigger http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-wave-hello-yellow.gif

[Coues]

Don&#39;t know about you guys, but I am ready to spot, stalk and kill something.

[One Track]

Yah! I&#39;m going to do that at Camp Roberts on the 13th and 14th!

[bighorn67]

OK................Have we settled on the 7th-11th? I&#39;m ready to set this thing in concrete. Let&#39;s go stick some critters!

Looking forward to your scouting report Coues.

Dave

[prohunter]

I am ready NOW!! Have we finalized the dates?? When does it actually open & close? I guess I could look it up for myself. When do we send Money? Email me.
Thanks!

[Orso]

The 7th-11th work for me. I will send out an email to everyone on Sunday with my address for the money.

[muskrat89]

OK - I guess we&#39;re locked in (?) I&#39;ll go ahead and put in for vacation...

woo hooooooooo


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[Orso]

I too will put in for the time off of the 7th-11th of January (which I already know is mine to take). For me I am locked in. I really hope everyone else can make these dates. Actually I will come home on the 12th.

I know. I know. I know... I still need to send out the email to everyone with my address for the money.

[Coues]

How many will be hunting deer as well as Javelina?

[muskrat89]

Orso - snail mail is on the way to you.

Coues - Unless I connect between the 12th of December, and the 1st of January, I plan on hunting deer also. I&#39;m going to have to drive every day to the hunting grounds and back, so hopefully there will be some applicable "honey holes" for me... http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana-man-yeah.gif

I&#39;m not taking the whole week off, but probably Wed-Fri, Sat and Sun.


We will have to come up with a master plan, after we get the scouting reports - who&#39;s based out of where, who&#39;s hunting with whom..if nothing else, we should pick a day/place and all meet for lunch or supper...it would be a shame for 5 or 6 of us all hunting separately, and never meet each other, the whole time!

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[One Track]

Orso, email us or post your address. Don&#39;t be shy. We want to send you some dinero.

Last year, Coues suggested a place to hunt. It also included a campgournd. So, we&#39;ll most likely circle up the wagons and share a fire ring. Good times. Then, we hunt from there. Just a walk in the park.

[Orso]

I&#39;ll be hunting deer also. And if Coues has a suggestion on where we should all meet to camp - That is great with me.

[bighorn67]

I&#39;m gonna take the deer tag plunge. I want to be prepared for whatever comes close enough for a shot.

Dave

[Coues]

Directions to a good place to camp will be given in the scouting report. I will give a place that will be close to both units 37B and 33. People that did the hunt last year also know the way to another good spot, but it is too far from 37B to be able to hunt both. BTW, that place we hunted last year got HAMMERED during the rifle season.

[One Track]

Do you know if they killed any big bucks?

[Coues]

Not sure. It&#39;s possible that not many deer were killed becasue it very hot. I was down there with a friend who had a Muley tag and we did not see one horn. Of coarse, when Earl, Bubba, Cletis, & Otis decide to walk right through the bedding area at daylight, smoking and talking like 4 teenage girls at the mall, you don&#39;t expect to see much.

[prohunter]

I will be hunting mule deer. Is it alright if my brother comes with me(mule deer for him also)? If so does he need to pay same amount or do we divide by 7 now?
thanks,
phillip

[Coues]

Deer Hunters:

Unit 33 (south) has MORE deer, but the buck / doe ratio is not great. You will see deer everyday, I can ALMOST guarentee that. Both Whitetails and Muleys. There are lots of pigs too.

Unit 37B has fewer deer, but the buck / doe ratio is much better and the average size is bigger too. I have personally seen some wall hangers. You might go a day or 2 between deer sightings. There are only mule deer in 37B. Very good pig hunting too.

Last year we all hunted 33 (South) and saw a lot deer, some pigs.

What sounds best to you guys? Like I said before, I&#39;ll pick a camping spot that will be centrally located to both units (37B and the north half of 33). But, to get to the area we hunted last year, with the high deer numbers, you will really need to camp close to that area, because it is too long of a drive to be going back and forth every night.

I am just trying to get a feel for which area of unit 33 I should concentrate on, North or South.

[One Track]

Personally, I thought last years hunt was awesome. The camping was perfect, and the game was plentiful. However, I would like to hunt a different area in January. Only because it would be nice to learn about a new spot, and see some different country. I&#39;d vote for the 37b and north part of 33. However, if you want to see a lot of coues deer, go to the lower 33. It is an amazing sight.

I can&#39;t join you guys during the 7th - 11th. My wife is in Hawaii that week, and I&#39;ll be home with the chillens. I&#39;ll leave the 13th to hunt 14th - 18th. Anybody else going to go that week?

Thanks!

[Orso]

I want to get a Javelina. I would want to camp near as many Javelina as possible. A deer is secondary to me. Other than that, as long as I am camped relatively close to as many Javelina as possible I am fine with where ever we camp.

Sorry to hear One Track can&#39;t make it. It would be tough for me to hunt the 14th-18th. But you never know...???

Prohunter - I don&#39;t have a problem with you bringing a friend, as long as the numbers don&#39;t get too high there should be plenty of space for one more. Why don&#39;t you send the $42.85 and have your freind send the same. I have already received some payments and others have emailed me advising money has been sent. I will figure a way to get everyone square when I send the reports to everyone.

[bighorn67]

I want to be where the most of both species are. I want to come home with meat. Pork or venison, I don&#39;t care.

Dave

[prohunter]

Sent check today! Thanks for letting me bring my brother. I agree with keeping group down in size. It is just a long drive from my house to Arizona. I would like a chance at killing a decent buck the first part of my stay, after that a meat deer would be fine!

[bighorn67]

I&#39;m counting down the days! This is going to be an awesome trip.

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[prohunter]

I was wondering the final count? Who is going? It will be me & my brother. We will be camping in a tent. How about everyone else? I can&#39;t wait!

[Coues]

Make sure you guys bring your long johns! I was out Fri-Sun and my water froze solid both nights! Rut does not seem to have kicked in yet. Saw several groups of mule deer does, but no bucks following them yet.

If the deer rut is anything like this years Elk rut, don&#39;t bend over in the bushes!

[muskrat89]

So - Coues - are you hunting with us?

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[Coues]

Of coarse! But if I happen to spot something, I&#39;ll give you guys first shot at it. IF something stupid happens to run my way, then I&#39;ll try to get it.

[bighorn67]

Orso and I will be in his tent trailer.

[Orso]

Prohunter,

There should be a total of 7 hunters however, One Track won&#39;t be hunting with us for the 7-11th hunt.

Bighorn67, Me, Muskrat89, you and your brother, and Spectr17. I haven&#39;t communicated too much with Spectr17 but I believe he is going to meet us that weekend. And of course Coues will be there as well.

I plan on bringing at least one full size trashcan full of wood for camp fires (if allowed where we are camping).

[muskrat89]

We hunting as a mob, or breaking into pairs and singles and heading off in different directions? Wooo hoooo http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana-man-yeah.gif
Getting a little excited

[prohunter]

I would like to camp with everyone, but I usually hunt alone (well I have my brother with me). Shoot my bow everyday now for about 30 minutes/day. I can&#39;t wait!

[spectr17]

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If it&#39;s OK with you guys, I might try to make this into a story, either for the magazine, or our website[/b]

To be honest, this hunt is for JHO members and to help promote DesertBull and this website and not to help promote another competing website.

Pull back on them AZOD reins just a bit please.

[muskrat89]

My mistake. My intention was actually to promote your site, and the guys going on the hunt. It won&#39;t be mentioned again.

[Coues]

Well, I am headed out to do your scouting early tomorrow morning. I&#39;ll be hitting unit 33 first. Then on Sunday, I&#39;ll look over unit 37B. I should have the reports mailed out to Orso by the end of next week.

[One Track]

Got Get &#39;em! Have fun. You might want to do a lot of glassing. Do you have a good binocular? I would suggest glassing the southeast slopes in the morning and southwest slopes in the pm. The coues should be on your left, and the mulies on your right, stand up, sit down, fight fight fight! I forget who taught me all that stuff, but, uh.

Don&#39;t spend all your money in one place.

If you ride a bicycle that&#39;s missing it&#39;s chain guard, tuck your pantleg into your sock.

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[Orso]

Coues - You should have received the balance today. I expressed it last night via USPS.

Good luck and Thanks.

[Coues]

I completed both days of scouting and am currently working on the report. I should have it mailed out to Orso on Monday.

I had mixed results. I did see 20 deer. 17 Whitetail and 3 Muleys. Two of the deer were nice 3 point Coues bucks.

I did not spot any Javelina but found plenty of fresh sign in both units 33 & 37B. If you put in your time hunting in the areas I give you, you should see some Javelina. Remember, whenyour looking for Javelina, THINK SMALL! A huge Javelina will be knee high and there are plenty of places for them to hide.

The deer rut is just getting started and should be in full swing the first 2 week of January with some rutting probably into mid Feb.

I had a little bad luck with the camping area situation. Seems some morons decided to dump a bunch of junk and garbage in both of my favorite camp spots in unit 37B. I have 2 more spots, but they will require a little more driving if you decide to hunt one of the other units.

Because I did not see any Javelina or Muley Bucks, I am going to try and get back down to unit 37B on Friday to look around a little bit.



Here are 2 pictures I took on Saturday

The first picture is from unit 33. It shows what typical Coues deer country looks like. There are also some Muleys in the lower elevations here as well as Javelina throughout all the elevations.

The second picture is of a Prickly Pear that was eaten by some Javelina. This was in unit 37B.

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[One Track]

Thanks for the update.

[prohunter]

wow it&#39;s almost here! we just got a real good storm thru here. whats the weather like in AZ?

[Coues]

It&#39;s been rainy off and on and it&#39;s supposed to get cold (yeah right,in the 50&#39;s) next week.

[Buck-eye]

Thanks for the hard work Coues!

[Coues]

Looks like I will be mailing out the report to Orso on Tuesday or Wed. at the latest. The map store was out of one of the maps I needed and it will be available tomorrow. I will also have the entire report available online by Wednesday http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cross-fingers.gif !


The Deer are humping like mad right now!


Here is a list of things that I would recommend you bring.

1. A varmit call or a J-13 Javelina call (can be purchased from JHO in the "store").

2. Binoculars (of coarse!) Spotting scope if you have one.

3. Daypack You&#39;re gonna want to stay out hunting all day. Javelina and Rutting deer move all day long.

4. Firewood. The area in 37B especially is rather void of any substainal trees. You&#39;ll be able to supplement your wood with brush and mesquite. Afew logs per ight will work.

5. Bring your rattling antlers, grunt calls etc too. They can work on hard rutting deer.

[Coues]

Ok,
I mailed Mike the reports and tomorrow I will have most of the info online also. I will email everyone a link to the website when I get it posted.

driving directions.

To get to Peppersauce Canyon campground unit 33.

Go to Oracle Arizona (NE of Tucson). and follow the signs to Mt. Lemmon. You will drive through some private property after leaving town. There will be a fork in the road a few miles after leaving town. Stay to the right. Maye 5 miles after the fork, you come to Peppersauce Campground. This is a fee area, but if you keep driving you climb further up the mountain there is a place you can all camp without paying. You&#39;ll drive through some canyons and switchbacks, then the road will straighten out and head due west. Right where the road road goes straight, there is a flat area that people camp at. There is a map in the scouting report that will show you exactly where to go.

This camp area is not really where we will be hunting, but I don&#39;t want to giveaway the exact locations here for the whole freaking world to see.

[One Track]

Thanks!

[Orso]

Thanks again Coues!

[bighorn67]

Hey Coues,

Thanks!

Where is the best place to buy deer tags? Is there an either sex tag? If so, which one is it?

Dave

Hey Guys,

Just a heads up.

I read that Arizona regs require that pump and auto loading shotguns can only have 2 shot shells in the magazine. You may need to get a different plug.

Dave

[Coues]

There are no either sex deer tags. All archery deer must be at least a spike.

You can buy a deer tag anywhere they sell fishing/hunting license. WalMart, Sports Authority, etc.

The rule on shotguns is 2 in the magazine, one in the chamber.

[Coues]

Mike I emailed the link to the website to you. Please pass it on, but hold off on posting it here. I don&#39;t have it passworded yet.


Jeff

[muskrat89]

Rec&#39;d my javelina tag in the mail, but never got my 2004 license. Went to Wallyworld in Coolidge today to get a duplicate, and my lion/deer tags. They didn&#39;t have the 2004 ones in yet... http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-hair-raisin-blue.gif

Will have to pick em up Friday....


As an aside, I had some things come up, and won&#39;t be able to join you guys. Good luck! Can&#39;t wait to see the pics http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-dancin-red.gif

[Orso]

Coues,

I just sent you an email.

[Orso]

The scouting report was waiting for me when I arrived home from work. I will go to a office depot or similar place tomorrow and have the report scanned so I can email it to everyone by the end of the day.

I ask that Prohunter, One Track, and Spectr17 send me their email address to mipg2934@pacbell.net

I have Bighorn67&#39;s and Muskrat&#39;s address already.

[prohunter]

sent you an email.

[Orso]

Bighorn67, Muskrat89, Prohunter, Spectr17, and One Track -

I have sent you all an email.

[Orso]

So what&#39;s the game plan for day to day hunting? I think Prohunter asked this question before however, I don&#39;t think we talked about it. Is everyone planning on hunting alone and just meeting back for dinner each night? Or ???

I am pretty flexible. I wouldn&#39;t mind driving out to an area with you guys and then venturing off alone from the trucks and then having some kind of time frame to meet back at the trucks for lunch or maybe a move to another spot. I probably wouldn&#39;t want to go back to camp though until after the sun goes down.

[Coues]

OK, I added the maps for 37B to the web site and also included directions for a camp spot in 37B. It will be real close to those planning on hunting in unit 37B the majority of the time but still close enough to drive to unit 33 for a hunt.

I went out hunting with my friend in unit 37B on Thursday-Saturday. We saw about 8 mule deer (2 bucks) and a herd of about 8-10 Javelina on Saturday. We had a buck mentally skinned and quartered but the wind screwed us. One more step and he would have been broadside at 35 yards! Oh well, he was just a spike, but I have never killed a deer with my bow yet, so I would have shot. I am mostly a meat and memories hunter anyway and my freezer is getting low!

The pigs blew out of a ravine 100 yards ahead of us. Again the swirling wind blew us up. They ran under a fence into posted property, so they were safe. We did not see anything else.

Let me know where you guys plan on camping and I will meet you there on Friday evening. Look forward to meeting you guys!

ONE TRACK - You know when you are coming yet?

[Orso]

I think we should camp at the spot Coues suggests (which is not the "pay"site).

Coues - I will be able to get my tent trailer up there...Right?

[Orso]

Marshall - I have sent you a PM, I need the email address, please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience.


Bighorn67, One Track, Spectr17, Prohunter - I have sent you additional and important information. Please advise if you don&#39;t receive it.

I guess the final question is where to camp?

[Coues]

Ok, I corrected "map 3" for 37B. I also added a new map that shows the location of the campsite in unit 37B.


Orso, you can get your camper to any of the spots I listed.
The only "fee" site is Peppersauce Canyon Campground. Any camping in unit 33, you will need a campfire permit if you are going to have a fire. The permits are free. In unit 37B, you will not have to pay or get a permit.


Thanks
Jeff

[prohunter]

i am good with the camping spot on the map (no pay). we will have a tent & all the goodies. i will also bring some fire wood. we will leave sometime on tuesday & drive half way. we will arrive sometime on wedsday. i drive a 2003 dodge ram 4x4 quad cab. it has a white toolbox in the back.

[One Track]

Orso: Thanks for taking care of getting us the report. Much appreciated. I think you guys will want to camp together and then head out in different directions in the morning, either in singles or pairs. You can cover more ground that way, and see more game. Back at the fire ring, you can compare notes. I found that hunting hard and taking my lunch with me, enabled me to spot more game. Some of the guys were back at camp for lunch and a nap. Two of the three encounters I had with javelina were around noon time. It was cold in the morning and the javies were sleeping in. However, the deer were out before the sun came up. Just mis dos centavos.

Coues: I&#39;ll be leaving on the 13th, hunting the 14th - 18th, til noon.

Good luck to you guys. Wish I was going to be there with y&#39;all.

Anybody else going to be there the 14th - 18th?

[Orso]

I&#39;m not trying to be a dope here however, I want to make sure we are all on the same page... Regarding the camping spot, I am figuring the campspot we will stay at is the one in 37B. This is the campsite which Coues added the other day to the website. It gives the coordinates to get there.

I will be watching this thread during the day on Tuesday if someone is thinking different then post and let me know or call me on my cell.

[muskrat89]

One track - I may be able to hook up with you that Saturday or Sunday

[bighorn67]

Camping at 37B sounds good to me.

[prohunter]

Yippee the day has come. I am leaving this afternoon! We will stay tonight at Laughlin. Should be there in afternoon tomorrow. I will camp at the new spot in 37b. See you guys when you get there! BYE! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-wave-hello-yellow.gif

[muskrat89]

Saw a big ol boy today, but he wouldn&#39;t turn broadside for me. As he was trotting away, I blew the javelina call. He wheeled and instantly charged, but turned away when he was at about 10 yards. He turned right into bushes, so I didn&#39;t have a shot then, either.... wooo hoooooooooo

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[One Track]

Dang Muskrat:

That&#39;s some quick reporting. Sounds like a close encounter with the toothy kind. If you know where they are now, you shouldn&#39;t have a problem putting some peccary in the cooler. Right on!

Am I the only guy that isn&#39;t out there right now?

[Coues]

No, you are not the only one!

My partner went out to 37B on Sunday and got into the pigs thick but the wind would not be friendly to him.

You guys coming tomorrow better get as much hunting in on Wed-Fri as possible. It is supposed to be in the high 70&#39;s on Saturday. Not good.

[rusman66]

Oh man what a rush! I am kicking myself in the a$$ for not putting in for a tag!

At least you guys are gonna be heading out. Good luck to all of ya.
Keep the stories coming.

[muskrat89]

Saw a smaller one on Wednesday. Thursday, I was into a ton of fresh sign, but didn&#39;t see any critters. I did stop at the JHO campsite on the way home, and met everyone except coues and jesse. Great bunch of guys. They had seen some deer, but too far away. I hunted today, still lots of sign, but no piggies. Am taking the weekend off to regroup, and reconsider strategy http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-crying-blue.gif

[Coues]

Well, what&#39;s the word? Anybody draw blood?

I know Orso had a shot at as Javelina, but did&#39;t connect. Bighorn had a shot at a muley but had no deer tag, so he had to pass it up. Prohunt&#39;s brother (I think) had 2 shots at a whitetail, but missed also. They were long shots (for me anyway) 50+ yards.

I hunted on Saturday, but the wind was howling and we could not locate any animals moving.


Jeff

[spectr17]

I woke up Friday early to leave and had a 3 foot puddle of oil under my truck. My power steering had blown a seal and I couldn&#39;t get any mechanic to take it until Monday. I tried to do it myself but I need a puller for a pulley.

I left a voicemail with COues to pass the word Friday so no one would send out a search party for me.

My only open date left for January is the last weekend. I&#39;ll be heading down then to try get a hunt. Sorry for not showing up.

I hope everyone had a good hunt. I was all packed and wanted to film some of the weekend but ended up stuck here. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-throw-computer-ani.gif

[Coues]

I told everyone that you were having truck troubles.

[prohunter]

Well got back yesterday & had a great time! Camped with orso, bighorn 67, & 1 night with coues. I got one shot at a Muley on saturday about 11:30 am. Missed him! Arrow fell a couple of yards short. That is all the game I saw on saturday. My brother shot & missed a 2- point coues on friday. we both could have gotten shots at pigs but no tags. We saw 4 pigs 1 afternoon at about 20 yards from the truck when we were driving into our hunting spot. This is a greta hunt. Next year I will put in for a pig tag.

[Orso]

I had a great time these last couple of days. I saw some deer, no bucks though, and I got on to some Javelina. The second morning out at about 10am I was glassing from a ridge down across a wide dry river bed. About 400 to 500 yards wide. I saw a black spot on the other side of the river bed and when I got my binocs over to the area, the black spot was gone. It only took me a few seconds to locate the small herd of about 5 or 6 Javelina. I worked my way down a steep loose-rock-ridge and started my stalk. Keeping my eye on my wind indicators on both ends of my bow (50lb. recurve) I was able to get within 20 to 25 paces of these Javs. As I waited for the Javelina I was closet to - to move in to a clearing another Jav caught my movement and started a stare down. After a minute or so he decided I wasn&#39;t of any concern and continued to feed. I was standing in a funny position and after several minutes I had to adjust my stance as the day pack I was wearing was making my back uncomfortable in the hunched-over position I was in. I moved and 4 or 5 Javs saw the movement and scurried up the hill, but still stayed close. I thought I had lost them for good so I decided to try the Javelina call I had just purchased and had only blown on once the day before. I started the squealing and to my amazement the original Jav I wanted to shoot was still very close but just behind some bushes. And my poor attempt at the Jav call didn&#39;t scare him away. Actually, I could hear him snort and I felt he was contemplating on what to do. As I wailed on the call I would take a few steps closer. I did this a few times and got to about 20 paces (again) from this Javelina. Now I could see him but couldn&#39;t shoot because he was behind the bush. I stopped calling and waited to see what he was going to do. Shortly there after he started to move forward and it was appearant he was going to move in to the open. Just as his head got in to the clearing I drew back on this little fella. OOOPPPS big mistake!! I should have waited to draw back until he was completely in the opening because he saw my movement and stopped with just his head sticking out. So here I am at full draw with my 50lb recurve and I can&#39;t move... I held the draw for what seemed like 3-4 minutes (mind you when I practice, that arrow is let loose in just a couple of seconds). I am certain I held the draw for over a minute but I don&#39;t think it was over two minutes though. My arm started shaking, my palm was getting sweaty and I was waiting for this darn pig to come out. He finally does a 180deg turn and has his head behind the bush and from the neck back is NOW completely in the open. I let loose the arrow and....MISS!! I had lost my concentration and I am sure I didn&#39;t pick a spot. The darn thing ran off. I didn&#39;t feel they had gone too far and thought it better to not press them at that time. I figured I would come back later and try again versus pushing my luck and continuing to hit them right then. Well, when I got back there that afternoon they were nowhere to be found. My opportunity had been there and I didn&#39;t connect. However, what an awesome experience!! I located them, stalked them and worked them in to a distance that I should have connected. I got what I paid for and then some. More lessons learned due to this experience.

It was great to meet everyone and it was too bad we all couldn&#39;t have gotten together but perhaps another time. A big thanks to Prohunter for keeping in contact the first day and making sure I got to the camp with no problems, and also for the tree he brought for the fires.... I am serious the whole tree!!

Below are a couple of pictures from this weekend.

Thanks guys for a good hunt. Marshall, Thanks for stopping buy. It was a pleasure to meet you.

[Orso]

The guys at camp...Plus a stray that Bighorn couldn&#39;t let go of.

[Orso]

Bighorn67 looking for the game that eluded us all...

[Orso]

Hey Dave,

Don&#39;t I take good pictures? LOL.

[prohunter]

why aren&#39;t there any dancing girls in your pictures???

[bighorn67]

Don&#39;t I get a royalty for that?

[Coues]

Someone bloodied an arrow today, but that&#39;s all I am saying.




You&#39;ll have to wait till they get back home to get the story.

[muskrat89]

I tried a different spot today, and got into 2 different herds of pigs. One around 9:30, the other around 11:30. The later one I had a perfect, slightly quartering-to shot at about 10 yards, and missed...darn it.

Oh well.. for a first time javelina hunter (and archer, for that matter), I&#39;m not complaining - am seeing some critters, had a shot opportunity, and at least it was a clean miss.

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[Coues]

I hunted 3 javelina seasons before I even saw one. Then, when I finally saw one on the last day of the 3rd season, I managed to miss him at 15 yards!

[muskrat89]

Around 10:30 I stopped and sat on top of a pretty steep hillside, bordering a wash. I had my snack, shed some layers, drank a bottle of water, etc. I then went down into the wash, across, and up the other side. I turn around and look - about 6 pigs are feeding about 100 yards north along the ridge from where I had planted my butt for a break! Back down I go.. stalked up on em.. one walks near me.. and boom, I miss! Well, not boom... whissshhhh He even trotted 3 or 4 yards and presented for another broadside, but I hadn&#39;t had time to nock another arrow... drats

[Orso]

Keep at them Marshall. I am glad you are still getting out. You still have plenty of time left. Without out saying where you are hunting...Are you still in the same area as you mentioned when you came into camp?

[muskrat89]

No - found a place a little closer to my home base. How did you guys make out in that area? There was a ton of sign in there....

[Orso]

I had just the one opportunity the entire trip and it was in the area you had been hunting prior to coming in to camp. The story is above in this thread.

[One Track]

Hey Y&#39;all:

One Track and Buck Eye are back. Great trip. Saw deer and javelina. I didn&#39;t kill anything. I&#39;ll let Bucky tell the rest of the story.

Coues, thanks for the quality scouting service. Your scouting report was right on! If I ever pull a tag for elk, antelope, sheep, or deer in AZ, you will be my first call. (JHO Special Discount applies.) http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbs-up-ani.gif

Orso - thanks for setting things up. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbs-up-ani.gif

[muskrat89]

So, Jesse - you&#39;re the odd guy out - you gonna make it, like you wanted?

[oneclearshot]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

Originally posted by One Track@Aug 8 2003, 02:24 PM

Goog idea about getting Jeff "Coues" out for the JHO POR, AND covering his expenses collectively! A GREAT guy that&#39;s been in touch with me on every question I&#39;ve had !
oneclearshot (Bob)[/b]

[Coues]

Hey all,
Don&#39;t forget that you can apply for AZ fall hunts (Mule Deer, Coues Deer, Elk, Antelope, Sheep, Buffalo) and get a bonus point for each species applied for, with the same license that you bought for the January hunt.

If we get enough people interested, we could do a JHO deer or cow elk hunt similar to the Javelina hunts. I could do the scouting at a reduced rate for a group of 4-8 JHO hunters.

Cow Elk tags are easy to draw, usually. They are not 100% draw rates, but I have some units that in the 50-65% rate with a lot of elk.

Jeff

[Orso]

Jeff,

Are the regs and applications out yet?

[Coues]

Mid April

[bighorn67]

We can hunt the non permit hunts with the tags we already have can&#39;t we? I was looking at going to unit 12A in Kaibab in September. Are there some good Elk opportunities up there?

Dave

[Coues]

You can hunt deer with the tags you have. All Elk tags must still be drawn. There are supposedly a few Elk on the Kaibab. They (G&F) are trying to kill them all.

[Buck-eye]

Man, how did I ever miss this thread? My laziness only takes me so far down the JHO page I guess. Jeff, count me in on all of your hunts! Coues is my good luck charm, although he doesnt fit on my keychain. damn

[Mel Carter]

Just curious, are you guys going to set this hunt up again for 2005 http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cross-fingers.gif I know it may still be a little early, but count me and my son Justin in.

[prohunter]

mel,
I plan on it. Last time I did not have a pig tag, but I am going to put in for it this year!

[Orso]

I am definitely in for another trip next year.

[Mel Carter]

Sounds great guys, count me in. How many JHO&#39;ers went on this last trip? Sounds like everyone had a great time, looking forward to it. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbs-up-ani.gif

[Orso]

I believe the total count was 8 JHOers, over a couple week period. A fun hunt and I am looking forward to next year.