Grey Davis recall

[JDC]

Okay, now that the recall will hit the October ballot, it's time to start figuring out AS A GROUP who we are going to vote for.

The reason I am stressing AS A GROUP is as follows:

According to an MSN poll yesterday, 66% of Californians polled say Grey has to go. That left 33% saying leave him in office.

So, Grey puts his name on the ballot he currently has a 33% vote

Now we divide even two other candidates votes up and say they recieve 33% each.. now we have a Florida thing going on.. Not good!

The possibilities become expotentially worse with more candidates.

Ourselves, our friends, thier friends, etc.. must unite and pick 1 (one) candidate and make sure that come hell or high water Grey doesn't get re- elected!!!

:recall davis sign:

[shaginator]

I have yet to make-up my mind, and all the candidates haven't been declared yet.

I think Bill Simon is a pretty weak candidate.

Darrel Issa has shown early leadership during the recall effort. He's got the resources needed to go against the likes of Riordan and others who could vie for the governorship.

If Riordan runs, egads... please no. He's quite the anti-gun candidate.

Though it's still uncertain whether Arnold will run, I'd vote for him based on sheer entertainment value.

My favorite so far has been Tom McClintock. Currently State Senator, he barely lost the bid for State Controller in the last election. He's a staunch fiscal conservative, and appears to have a deep understanding of the problems at hand, and even offers practical solutions to those problems. Unfortunately, he is among the least well-known to-date.

Rumors abound regarding Condolezza Rice. I doubt she'll do it, but if she did, she would be an instant hit.

We'd at least need a week or two more to see the whole landscape...

[kilbuc]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but if Grey Davis is recalled he is not eligible to be a candidate on this ballot.

[Maverick]

kilbuc you are correct!

[DKScott]

As I understand it, at least 51% of the votes cast have to be in favor of recalling the Governor. Only after that hurdle is reached do the votes for the new Governor count.

Davis has to get 51% of recall vote to keep his job. If he doesn't, he's out and somebody else is in. My guess is that he will watch the polls and if it is clear that he is going to lose he will resign at the last minute, the recall will be cancelled and Lt Gov. Cruz Bustamante (who is no rocket scientist) will get the job.

If the vote goes forward with any question as to the outcome, the Dems will be scrambling to come up with a candidate and the DNC and their customary pack of vultures are already circling so look for some Florida-style attempts to steal or invalidate the election and put it into the courts. Vote and election fraud are well established traditions in the Democrat Party. I don't think they'll leave that bag of tricks home for this election

This thing is unlikely to clean or simple, IMO.

[huntducks]

First off davis CAN NOT http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-shakehead-blue.gif add his name to the list, his only hope is to get 50.1% of the vote.

DKScott

That will not work with davis resigning, the reason why is they are recalling the office of govenor not just davis, if he died tomorrow Lt Gov would take over but only until the recall election, once the recall was certified it makes no differance who is the govenor the recall still goes ahead, now if he would have resigned say last week, and the other dufess would have take over, then it would have been a whole different ball game.

Arnold first, Riordan second, I made that mistake in the primary voting for Simon, I don&#39;t care how anti-gun Riordan is he is a Republican, and some how we need to brake this strangle hold the democRATS have on this state.

[JDC]

Obviously I&#39;m mis-understaning something here. My understanding is Davis can put his name on the ballot. This is why no other democrat will run against him.

My thoughts are on Issa. Arnold has too many issues and other agenda&#39;s for him to be my first pick. Simon seems a little to wishy-washy.

Issa, is pro-gun, which is a postive, and as far as I&#39;m concerned, this state needs to be run like a business. Issa started with an astronomically low amount of money and built a multi million dollar company from that in a very short time. The company never suffered a layoff. Though not the most "politically correct" speaker, he is real people, not a life long politician.

[bubba]

Democrats coming out of the woodwork right now would show no support for Davis and in their minds put credence to the whoel idea of recalling the governor. Once they determine that Davis is assured of losing office, the Democrats will show up on the ballot.

[EVAN III]

So now I&#39;m confused. There are to be two elections. One to see if Dufus is recalled :recall davis sign: and then one to see who will be the next Gov?????? Davis can run in the recall, he has to in order to see if he gets the boot, then after that the canidates have to go through another election?? The whole thing is confusing, esspecially if you don&#39;t have the time to watch all the news. Any help guys?

[paulc]

John, there is 1 election. on that election there will be 2 questions.
question 1.
yes or no to recall of Red Davis
question 2
choose a candidate from the following list.

if a majority vote to recall him the candidate with the most votes is the govenor.

Red davis is not listed as a candidate.

if the majority of the voters vote against the recall Red Davis remains gov.

This is my understanding.

[EVAN III]

Paul,

Now that makes since, Seems simple now, hope thats the way it plays out. Thanks for the help. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif :recall davis sign:

[spectr17]

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Issa, is pro-gun,[/b]

That&#39; all I need to know.

If you sell out now to some career politician who wants to take your guns, please don&#39;t whine when the sheriff or military comes for them.

[JDC]

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[PHOnos]

Hustler Publisher Files in Calif. Recall

The Associated Press
Friday, August 1, 2003; 10:28 AM

LOS ANGELES –– Porn king Larry Flynt wants to rule California.

The Hustler magazine publisher has filed initial paperwork to run in the gubernatorial recall election and says he may spend a large amount of his own money if people take his candidacy seriously.

The registered Democrat, civil libertarian and free speech advocate said he&#39;d solve California&#39;s budget woes by expanding slot machine gambling. His holdings include several casinos.

"California is the most progressive state in the union," said Flynt, 61. "I don&#39;t think anyone here will have a problem with a smut peddler as governor."

Flynt had not yet paid the $3,500 filing fee by Thursday afternoon, according to the California Secretary of State Web site.

More than 250 people statewide have taken the very first step of filing the paperwork with county registrars, according to the site. Other quirky candidates include several men named Gray Davis and Angelyne, the blonde, buxom artist made famous by her depiction on numerous Hollywood billboards.

To get on the Oct. 7 ballot, declared candidates also need at least 65 signatures from voters registered in their party.


© 2003 The Associated Press

[Pasco]

Originally posted by PHOnos@Aug 1 2003, 10:42 AM
More than 250 people statewide have taken the very first step of filing the paperwork with county registrars, according to the site. Other quirky candidates include several men named Gray Davis and Angelyne, the blonde, buxom artist made famous by her depiction on numerous Hollywood billboards.
This is gonna be a fiasco. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-shakehead-blue.gif http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-shakehead-blue.gif http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-shakehead-blue.gif Imagine a ballot with 250 candidates for 1 position. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-rolleyes-green.gif

[thetarheelkid]

paulc has it right!! It&#39;s two part vote with the first part vote to recall or not to recall the Gov and the second part is to vote for the person to replace him!!

I sure don&#39;t want Fienstien or Riordan!! And not sure I want to find out if Arnold will improve things or not.

Guess I&#39;ll have to go for the lesser of all evils again. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-hitting-self.gif

[EL CAZADOR]

I&#39;m all for the recall and I can&#39;t stand Davis, but I heard a commentary on Fox News the other night that really got me thinking . . .

Basically, the economic turmoil in California isn&#39;t going to get better anytime soon. The word on the street is to expect another 2-3 more years of huge cutbacks until the economy had fully rebounded. Recalling the governor and replacing him with someone else isn&#39;t necessarily going to fix the situation. Yah, Davis is a poophead and doesn&#39;t deserve to be the governor and totally lied to the citizens about the budget deficit, but why not let him stay in office and take the full brunt of the criticism over the future budget woes.

While I don&#39;t fully support this notion (I want him gone!!!), it does have some merit. Next year if we have a Republican running the state and the budget fiasco is an issue again the democRATS are going to say that it&#39;s the Republicans fault.

[Maverick]

Just remember what davis has said about this recall. "Its sour grapes from a bunch of losers". If you a for the recall or have signed the petition then Gov. Joe Dufus thinks your a loser!

[EVAN III]

Just think of it this way, if 80 % vote him out, two years later when it&#39;s still a mess those 80 % of people will still remember why they voted Dufus out of office, because he screwed us. Now will the demorats change our memory about it. Nope, we will remember.

[JDC]

We will remember, but what about the large democratic Hispanic voters? Will they remember?

[sportyg]

I think Issa, would have been the best pick. But as you all konw he is not running.. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-shakehead-blue.gif

[Mattk53]

Boy, I wanted Davis out as much as the next guy but this has become a Circus!!!

[bubba]

I&#39;m sure Davis will be out. But, we need to be prepared to have another democratic governor (Bustamante), if we don&#39;t get more republicans out to the polls. Bustamante is leading some polls right now. Arny better be burning the midnight oil to get ready for these debates.

[gwhunter69]

There are only two viable candidates in the race at the moment. Angelina and Larry Flynt...LOL! JK http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-biggrin-aqua.gif Seriously, Schwarzeneger and Bustamante are the only two candidates that have a shot at winning. McClintock is a good man, and I vote for him whenever I get a chance...BUT let&#39;s be honest. He cannot win unless the last 10 years of voting pattern change in this state. Bill Simon is a "has-been also ran." Not many losers get a second chance and win...I think Nixon was the last. So, that leaves Bustemante and Schwarzenegger. Unfortunately, Bustamante is a spineless nobody and Schwarzenegger is a social liberal or at least he has been in the past. With two other vote pulling Republicans in the race, that is putting Bustamante as the temporary frontrunner to replace Davis. If it were not for the fact that judges and other officials needed to be appointed, I would say let Bustamante mire in Davis&#39; mess for the next three years. Unfortunately, Bustamente does not have the leadership skills to pull California out of this mess. That leaves a mess for us to sort out...vote Schwarzenegger and help him win or vote my conscience???

[karstic]

Originally posted by gwhunter69@Aug 19 2003, 09:59 AM
vote Schwarzenegger and help him win or vote my conscience???
Question is "Will you feel like kicking yourself in the arse if McClintock comes close to winning and you didn&#39;t vote for him?"

[karstic]

Go to McClintocks website and sign up for his email list, then forward his website to every Republican you knowand encourage them to forward the info to everyone they know. I think the problem is that not enough people know who the viable candidates are other than Cruz and Arny.

McClintock lost the Controllers seat in the 2002 election by 0.3% of the vote (~16,000 votes out of 7.7 million cast)

You can help inform the masses http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-soapbox.gif

[DKScott]

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Question is "Will you feel like kicking yourself in the arse if McClintock comes close to winning and you didn&#39;t vote for him?"[/b]

Or, will you be kicking yourself in the "arse" if Arnie loses a close one to Bustamante because you helped split the Republican vote?

Its not so easy Karstic.

[Marty]

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...because you helped split the Republican vote?[/b]

No, it&#39;s not that easy. But what gives everyone the impression that Arnie is a Republican? Just because he says he is, and he professes to be pro-business?

Nearly every other candidate has a platform. Where does Arnie stand? IMO - it&#39;s Arnie that&#39;s trying to split the Rep. party vote. Conspiracy, on behalf of the Dem&#39;s??

You decide. Just don&#39;t wait until the day of the vote.
:recall davis sign: :recall davis sign: :recall davis sign: :recall davis sign:

[karstic]

Originally posted by DKScott@Aug 20 2003, 05:33 PM
Its not so easy Karstic.
I agree it&#39;s not an easy decision.

So we vote for Arny because he has the best chance of winning against Cruz.

Whats Arny gonna do when he&#39;s faced with a gun control bill, what kind of appoinments is going to make for different offices, etc. A lot of these are an unknown. McClintock has a history, he has shown where he stands an certain issues.

There&#39;s more at stake in this election than just the budget.

[DKScott]

Look, unless McClintock has a commanding lead in the polls on election day(and he won&#39;t - sorry), all he or any other minor candidate can do is steal votes from the frontrunner. Why you all think contributing to a Bustamante win is a better outcome than taking a chance on Arnie, I don&#39;t know. It seems insane.

Election day fantasies aside, we are faced with electing the lesser of two evils as our best outcome - and Arnie is considerably less "evil" than Bustamante.

Some of you guys are in the classic trap of letting the great be the enemy of the good (to the considerable benefit of the "bad").

You have to go with the front runner on election day. It&#39;s th only sensible course. If it happens to be McClintock, well hooray for our team! But if it&#39;s Arnie, then just hold your nose and do the right thing and just know that what ever we get, it will be better than what we would have gotten from Bustamante.

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There&#39;s more at stake in this election than just the budget.[/b]

Don&#39;t underestimate how much financial trouble this state is in Karstic. If things aren&#39;t cleaned up pretty quick and business doesn&#39;t stop leaving in droves, a lot of us will be out of work. California declaring bankruptcy is a very real possibility. Just because you haven&#39;t been personally affected yet, don&#39;t think your immune. You should read Bustamante&#39;s "Tough Love for California" plan - guaranteed job killer and wealth repellant. He ought to call it the "Tough Sh#t for California" plan

[karstic]

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Why you all think contributing to a Bustamante win is a better outcome than taking a chance on Arnie, I don&#39;t know. It seems insane.[/b]
Maybe it&#39;s because I don&#39;t want to accept the mediocrity of the "frontrunners." Candidate like McClintock never have a chance because the sheeple bleet" Weee&#39;ve got to vote for the lesser of two evils" Some people have given up on McClintock and the election is over 6 weeks away.
I&#39;m not ready to give up on a candidate that represents my interests.

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Look, unless McClintock has a commanding lead in the polls on election day(and he won&#39;t - sorry), all he or any other minor candidate can do is steal votes from the frontrunner. Why you all think contributing to a Bustamante win is a better outcome than taking a chance on Arnie, I don&#39;t know. It seems insane.[/b]

If it comes down to this and Arnie is the leader he will probably get my vote, but until that time I will do what is in my powers to inform the voters of California that there is a choice other than Schwarzegger.

[DKScott]

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If it comes down to this and Arnie is the leader he will probably get my vote, but until that time I will do what is in my powers to inform the voters of California that there is a choice other than Schwarzegger.[/b]

That is a very reasonable course, and one I probably will follow myself. The main point of my posts is that we can&#39;t afford to srew up the end game.

[karstic]

DK this is been a great debate. Like you said, I won&#39;t cut off my nose to spite my face. If Arnie is going to be the man to rid Sacramento of Davis he&#39;ll earn my vote. I&#39;m just not ready to give up on McClintock yet.

Glad to keep it civil, hope some day we get a chance to hunt/shoot/fish together.

[bigtroutbane]

Hey Guys, It&#39;s been a while since I&#39;ve been on. Busy with family and work. Started my own business. Anyways,

I sent a letter to Jim Brulte, California Senator today and I asked when he going to stand up and show some real leadership by getting the party behind one strong candidate for Governor?

I remember writing a post on JHP either late last year or early this year about our next Governor, CRUZ BUSTAMANTE. This recall is going to be quite the history making event. I have a feeling Davis is out and Arnold is going to lose to Bustamate. If that is the case the Republicans can KISS California GoodBYE for atleast the next 2 decades. It&#39;s a shame. I haven&#39;t decided who I am voting for yet, probably McClintock.

~bigtroutbane

My Letter to Brulte&#39;s Office:

Dear Mr. Brulte,

I campaigned with you when I was a just a teenager in Rancho Cucamonga. I had breakfast with you and your campaign staff one Saturday Morning at the diner on Euclid and “H” street in Ontario when you first started running for office. I am a God fearing, Family Valued, now 28 year old Self-Employed Conservative Republican Businessman and I am very concerned about the State of California and this upcoming recall election.

You are now the most powerful Republican leader in the State of California. Is there anyway that you can get a coalition of other elected Republicans and come out and put your support behind one candidate, either Bill Simon or Tom McClintock? It would force the other candidate to respectfully bow out of the race and show our party membership and voting base that there is real leadership in California. If the Republicans do nothing to show leadership during this recall election then we will really and ultimately have lost the State of California to Socialist Liberals who hide behind a party name that currently occupy the State Capitol. If Arnold the Actor or Lt. Gov. Bustamante gets elected we will have truly lost the State of California for decades to come.

Bustamante will be label and championed a hero because he will be the first Native California Hispanic Governor in California since Gov. Romualdo Pacheco. And Mr. Bustamante is no Gov. Pacheco.(Pacheco was a Conservative Republican that believed in the Constitution of the United States and the great Republic of California).

We as Californians will truly have a crisis on our hands and it will affect my kids in the next 10-20 years. There will be an increased and continued spending on
social(ist) programs, astronomically higher income taxes and property taxes, increased rampant crime, the ultimate degradation of family values through a proliferated homosexual agenda, further loss of our 2nd Amendment Rights, and a continued brainwashing of our children in our socialist California Public Education System.

I think that the actual recall election is a constitutional and noble cause; however, it really has turned into a circus as the liberal news media suggests. How can the Republican Party ever gain back any ground it has been losing during the last decade if it cannot come together in support of one candidate that can actually get the job done?

My wife and I have not decided as to whom we will vote for yet, but we are looking to the Republican Party for Leadership and hope it comes soon.

Mr. Brulte, please bring the party together, the leadership of the Republican Party to support a truly Republican Candidate. We are praying for you.

Sincerely,

Patrick F. Bane

[DKScott]

I enjoyed it to Karstic, and I&#39;m always happy to find somebody to share the outdoors with. Maybe we can hook up for some quail or ducks this year. My GSP is primed for his first real season

[rockman250k]

As i am 15 and still in school i think arnold should go in because he wants to help the schools and the people.believe me the schools need help. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-shootin-green.gif

[PHOnos]

No Schwarzenegger in Calif. Recall Debate

By BETH FOUHY
The Associated Press
Wednesday, September 3, 2003; 10:02 AM

SAN FRANCISCO - As the state&#39;s most popular politician came to the defense of Gov. Gray Davis, the leading candidates to replace him - minus Arnold Schwarzenegger - prepared to take each other on in the recall election&#39;s first scheduled debate.


Schwarzenegger planned to skip Wednesday&#39;s debate, opting instead to deliver a speech before supporters and students at California State University in Long Beach.

Schwarzenegger has agreed to participate in only one debate, sponsored by the California Broadcasters Association on Sept. 24, for which questions will be provided ahead of time. That decision has drawn criticism from Republicans and Democrats alike.

Wednesday&#39;s debate in Walnut Creek is jointly sponsored by the Contra Costa Times, KTVU television and KQED public radio.

In the first part, Davis, as the target of the recall, will be questioned by journalists and voters about his record. In part two, five of the 135 candidates battling to replace Davis will field questions and debate among themselves; Davis will not be part of that forum.

The five participating candidates are Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, the only prominent Democrat running as a replacement candidate; State Sen. Tom McClintock and former baseball commissioner Peter Ueberroth, both Republicans; television personality Arianna Huffington, running as an independent; and Green Party candidate Peter Camejo.

Candidates qualified for the debate by receiving at least 4 percent support in either a recent poll or the last statewide vote.

Even though Schwarzenegger has opted out of the debate Wednesday, organizers say they&#39;d welcome a last minute change of heart.

"We&#39;re holding a chair and will accommodate Arnold if he chooses to come," said Michael Kelly, executive producer of KTVU.

Schwarzenegger&#39;s speech was to be an appeal to join him in his fight to put the public&#39;s interests ahead of special interests, said campaign spokesman Rob Stutzman. The campaign will launch a new set of TV ads Wednesday echoing that theme.

Davis was also set to air his first campaign commercials in San Francisco, Los Angeles and Monterey. But Davis leaves the talking to U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein to urge voters to turn down the recall. A small picture of Davis appears briefly at the bottom of the screen, but his name is never mentioned.

"The governor deserves the chance to keep working on issues we care about like education, health care and important new privacy legislation," Feinstein says in one ad. The state&#39;s senior senator, who fought off a recall as mayor of San Francisco, describes the instability and uncertainty the recall would cause, and urges a "no" vote.

Besides giving Davis support from the state&#39;s most popular politician, the ads offer the most tangible proof that the two have repaired their rocky relationship since Davis ran a negative campaign against Feinstein for the Democratic nomination for Senate. In that bid, he compared her to Leona Helmsley, the New York hotel owner and tax cheat.

Davis campaign director Steve Smith said Davis&#39; name was not deliberately left out of the ads, rather that Feinstein had written the scripts herself and wanted to present the case against the recall in her own words.

But observers said the omission of Davis&#39; name signaled a clear choice by the campaign to divert focus from the embattled governor, whose popularity ratings have hovered in the low 20s in most recent polls.

"I think it&#39;s a huge concession on the governor&#39;s part to allow Dianne Feinstein to go on the air with an ad that doesn&#39;t name him," said Democratic consultant Gale Kaufman. "When your numbers are where his are, the best commercial you could do would be to talk about the recall itself and the damage that could be caused by it."

Davis on Tuesday also announced the appointment of Leon Panetta, a former White House chief of staff and budget director under President Clinton, to lead a promised budget reform effort for California.

Panetta, who was a representative from Monterey County, said he would assemble a bipartisan team of experts to examine the state&#39;s boom and bust economics. Officials have acknowledged that state spending is a problem and the state could face a more than $8 billion deficit in the 2004-05 fiscal year.

[JDC]

Mc Clintock finally has radio commercials going. They are pretty good, but they don&#39;t catch your ear right off the bat

Grey and Arnie appear to be lacing up the gloves.

Arnie now appears to be fighting getting the Hispanic community on his side

The closer this gets, the louder the circus music gets..

do-do -doodle la do do........