Sighting question

[Tominator]

When I first starting shooting I was self taught. Later I bought my first new bow from a very accomplished archer who taught alot of people to shoot properly. I spent some time with him at his range and he had me shooting consistent 285+ scores on 5 spot targets in no time at all. As deer season started closing in I began shooting longer distances and set my 30 and 40 yard pins accordingly. I could never group anywhere close to where I could from 20 yds. I could shoot a 295 round on a 5 spot then back up to 30 yds and couldn't get better than a 5" group. One day when in his shop, I noticed his 30 and 40 yrd pins were stacked tightly together while mine had more separation. Since we shot the exact same setup, I asked why. During his answer it was determined that I was attempting to center the pin I was using for that particular shot, thereby changing my position at release. When I began using his method of using the exact positioning for each shot and holding this position while getting the pin on target, my distance groups closed instantly. It's kind of awkward at first having the pin you're using for a shot in the bottom section of your sight window but it certainly improved my shooting.
Now that the long winded history lesson is over, how do you do it? Do you center each pin or maintain the same pin location in the sight picture and adjust accordingly?
Tominator

[ToddP]

I only have one pin. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-toothless-aqua.gif I&#39;m good out to about 25 yards with it. Beyond that I&#39;m not taking the shot anyhow.

Can you explain some more how you are shooting. I must not be awake this morning. I am having a hard time understanding what you are doing.

Thanks,
Todd

[Tominator]

Rather than trying to get the 30 and 40 yd pins centered in the peep when shooting at those distances, I have the pins set so that the 20 yd pin is centered everytime and I maintain that orientation for longer shots. That is also the most comfortable position for me. I can draw the bow back with my eyes closed and open them after establishing my anchor point and the 20 yd pin will be centered 90% of the time. To adjust my line of sight I move my torso and keep my arm/shoulder position constant. For shots using the 30 or 40 yd pins, the 20 yd pin is still centered in the peep but I look at the pin I&#39;m using for that shot.
Did that muddy it up even further for ya?LOL.
Tominator

[Tominator]

(I was on 666 so I replied again to get off that #)
Tominator

[ToddP]

lol on the 666.

Ok, so the 20 yard pin is always centered in the peep but you are still putting the 30 or 40yd pin on the target you are shooting at?

It doesn&#39;t seem right with the 30 & 40 yard pins above the 20 yrd pin. Maybe I need to get my bow out and play around.

[Tominator]

no no no no no, LOL, the 30 and 40 are still below the 20...nevermind.
New approach, do you (not you, Todd, &#39;cause you only use one pin) center whichever pin you using for the shot each time?
Tominator

[jayber]

I try to get my form / anchor point the same for each shot. I use a No-Peep and once I know I&#39;m &#39;centered&#39;, I put the appropriate pin on the target. Back when I shot with a peep, I would focus on the pin that I wanted to use and have that one centered.

[ToddP]

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-whipping.gif

Ok, so you put center your 20yd pin in the peep and then put the 30/40 yd pin on the target.
That makes more sense.

No peeps!! man, had to help a guy get one of those aligned in Maine one year. Those aren&#39;t for me either. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Todd

[Tominator]

Exactly.
Tominator

[ToddP]

Why didn&#39;t you say so the first time?? http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-hair-raisin-blue.gif

[Tominator]

Stop asking ME all the hard questions!!!!! I was fine, really, until I posted this, my day has gone downhill ever since! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/afraid_face.gif

Tominator

P.S. I&#39;ve got a buddy with DNR connections in Michigan trying to find out the make of that safety belt that broke when that guy fell and died. I&#39;ll let you know when he lets me know.

[ToddP]

Cool.

[jayber]

Had my No-Peep on and targeted in less than 15 minutes. How hard can it be to turn a couple of screws?? And there were two of you! Guess they&#39;re not for everyone, but I won&#39;t go back to shooting a peep ever again.....

[ToddP]

I never used one and he was from South Carlolina. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-banghead-yellow.gif

[Tominator]

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-wavin-yel.gif

Tominator

[Hideandwatch]

Im still lost here1 http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-yawn-hellow.gif

[Arrowhead]

Hideand watch >> Your not alone brother........They lost me at Hello.

[SouthernStyle]

I&#39;ve read some of the methods of the pro shooters that are similar to what Tominator is talking about. For folks shooting a peep and a sight with a ROUND site guard, you center the round pin guard in the peep instead of the individual pins. To do this you may have to experiment with different diameter peep holes or adjust the site out or in (if you have an extension bar type site). It also helps if you have a site guard with the back of it a bright color (see CopperJohn&#39;s sites with the Orange ring on the back).

The theory is that it is easier and more consistent to center the round peep guard in the peep than to center a pin in the exact center (especially in low light).

Center the pin guard, place the appropriate pin on the target and squeeze.

I haven&#39;t tried this method yet since it will definitely take plenty of practice to "train" yourself to center the pin guard instead of the pin itself. I&#39;ll save that for next summer :)


Scott

[Arrowhead]

Southern Style >> Well for gosh sakes why didn&#39;t they say so. That is the setup I have. Round sight guard centered in peep. Then put my pin accordingly.

[Tominator]

Ha! See, I&#39;m not alone (but I don&#39;t use a round sight guard so I&#39;ll shut back up).
Tominator
P.S. AH, killed some nice bucks on Croft this past week, wish you could have made it. BTW, Hows the cousin&#39;s snake bite coming along?

[Arrowhead]

Tominator >> Tell me about what got killed. Or maybe I don&#39;t want to hear about it.

My cousin was in the Hospital until Friday morning. The last time I talked to him was Sunday. He was doing better but his finger was still swollen. I tried to call him today
but couldn&#39;t reach him.

Is your cell phone a Nextel?

[crownman]

Yes Tominator tell us more about the Croft hunt, What area did you hunt, what did you see, kill, others kill, etc. . I am going next month, area C. Cant wait!

[Tominator]

Welcome Crownman! I went the first week and it rained all day wednesday and till noon on thursday. I saw seven and killed none. A bud that was with me killed 2 does and in all there were 32 +/- killed. We huntedin D. the second week there were only 14 killed but the tropical storm was raging the first day and still raining good the 2nd. This past hunt I don&#39;t have any totals on, but a guy I know killed a 16" 8 pt the first day and the warden told him it wasn&#39;t in the top 5 size wise for what had already been checked in. At least one was killed with over a 20" spread. The report I got was the bucks were behind the does but not actively chasing yet. The last hunt should be awesome.
Tominator

[crownman]

Thanks Tominator! Got your e-mail also. I&#39;ll let you know. :http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-wavin-yel.gif