Pics with no tags on the bucks in CA

[weekender21]

Jesse, that tag comment is an interesting one. If you fill out the tag and place it on your pack or on the ground while taking pictures, are you breaking the law? I almost never see in the field photos with tags on the antlers. I have personally placed the tag in my pocket while dragging an animal through thick brush to avoid losing the tag for good.

[Arrowslinger]

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I do want to point out that we DO NOT want to let things go that are illegal or highly unethical. Putting a tag on your deer is the law and the first thing you are supposed to do when you take possession of the animal. Someone posting pics of deer with no tags is not going to fly[/b]

Interesting statement!?!?!.......so I would go ahead and dump 98% of the animal pics here on the site then, including all mine.

[spectr17]

After thinking about that I mispoke. In MO we put the tag in the leg tendon. If someone here in CA wants to post a pic of a deer in a truck bed with no tag on the antler I can see someone asking why no tag since it&#39;s the law here. It&#39;s the first thing a warden is going to ask also. The only exception I can think of would be someone dragging the deer out and not wanting to lose the tag in thick brush.

Bottom line, the animal needs to be LEGALLY tagged according to your states regs Posting pics obviously in violation of your state game laws is NOT what we want to promote here.

[jackrabbit]

I hear what you are saying jesse -- but I think it is a bit harsh. A lot of new folks will hopefully post their first pics here, just like their first dialogues, and can be shut down if their pics (dinky game by others standards) get tossed. But I&#39;ve made a comment on tags in pics before that I will repeat again:

Just look at all the CA DFG Hunting Digest/Booklets over the last years and you will see that the absolute majority of the trophy type shots they have in their official magazine have animals without tags! And that is the DFG magazine! Wardens and management didn&#39;t seem to be too concerned about those pics.

I respectfully disagree with you on this call if you are serious about not allowing pics without obvious tags on the game in the pic.

[bpnclark]

No one has a tag on their animal in a photo. The tag is distracting and gets in the way. Not to mention it shows the hunter’s full name, address, phone # and even their driver’s license #.

I was at work and saw a picture of a guy holding up a sturgeon in a fishing magazine. The guy had his fishing license on his neck. A close look and there it is. His name, address, and phone #.

[Flatbroke]

Jackrabitt,
I believe you misinterpreted Jesse&#39;s last Post. He had revisited his previous statement which is your current argument and relegated to the fact that some people place their tags on the rear of the game animal and understand that some pictures will be without visible tags. I often place the tags in plastic bags and wrap them with black tape affixed to a rear hamstring as bigworm and I give a lot of meat away to our neighbors family, friends, and labor camps.

[spectr17]

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No one has a tag on their animal in a photo. The tag is distracting and gets in the way. Not to mention it shows the hunter’s full name, address, phone # and even their driver’s license #.[/b]

Just because some don&#39;t tag their deer correctly as the regs state doesn&#39;t make it right to not tag your deer. You&#39;re supposed to tag the deer as soon as you take possession. That means BEFORE the pics. The only exception I can think of is having to drag the deer out and you might lose the tag. IF a warden pops out as your taking your hero shot right next to the truck technically he can site you. Some have even posted stories here about this happening.

For example, a deer MUDXICAN shot that is obviously at someone&#39;s home and properly tagged. Can you read his info on his tag?

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn66/juniork5/DSC02911.jpg

[jackrabbit]

Yeah Flatbroke, seems I did misinterpret -- I was just focused on the phrase that emphasized it had to be legally tagged before taking the pic; I took that to mean the tag had to be visible in the photo; now I see that jesse was just saying to be sure the game was actually legally tagged, not that the tag had to be visible in the photo.

PS. I see jesse just posted again as I was writing -- don&#39;t know what to say now about pics and visible tags. I&#39;ll just set back and let this thing settle out a bit I guess.

[spectr17]

From the back of my D14 tag.

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Immediately After Killing Deer

Cut out and completely remove notches for month and date of kill. Fill in information requested and attach tag securely to an antler of antlered deer or ear of any other deer (Section 708, Title 14, CCR)[/b]

What I&#39;m saying and other are saying is if you have an obviously recovered buck (home or next to truck etc) in CA it should have a tag on it&#39;s antlers. If not the pic is going to get pulled as it shows someone violating a game reg, something we are not promoting here.

You can come up with all sorts of reasons like it ruins the pic, your info might be seen or whatever but that&#39;s not going to change the policy. If your info is visible someone can easily blur it out before you post the pic.

This doesn&#39;t mean were going to become pic police but if someone asks why no tag and you say I forgot or I don&#39;t believe in tagging them then we have to pull the pic.

[Hitechhunter]

I shot my avatar buck in the evening. Not sure where the arrow hit, I waited about 45 minutes to start searching for him, then recovered it in about a half hour.

The photo&#39;s came out really dark, so I had my graphics guy at work lighten the photo up, and it changed the tag from orange to yellow. Several people jumped on me for that one, not believing it to be a valid D5 tag.

Personally, I think you&#39;re being too technical. Post up the horn porn!

If we want to get technical, can we post up without a tag after the statute of limitations has run out? It&#39;s legal!

[bpnclark]

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Dec 25 2008, 08:04 PM)

Can you read his info on his tag?Nope. But if the original photo was a close up of just the head, then the answer would be yes.

I think wardens have other things to worry about and enforce. A guy that fills out his tag, but doesn’t attach it before he takes his pictures, is probably not going to get a ticket. If they were, they (the DF&G) probably wouldn’t have photos (of this exact same thing we are talking about) in every publication they make.

Also – I have never, ever seen a game warden 2 miles away from the nearest road. As soon as I start to see wardens away from their trucks, I’ll start to worry. But in D5 I think I'm pretty safe.

[spectr17]

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Personally, I think you're being too technical.Okay, let me know where to draw the technical line.

Member with a can of beer in one hand, a rifle in the other and a buck okay?

Someone posting pics using a dead animal they just shot as target practice with their bows for laughs?

Someone posting pics of a dead deer in a obviously closed off limits area?

Member humping a dead deer for laughs?

Member posting a pic of game not even in season or allowed?

Believe it or not the above are examples of pics we've pulled in the past.

[spectr17]

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Nope. But if the original photo was a close up of just the head, then the answer would be yes.Then simply blur out the info like everyone else does, just like they do when their license plate is visible and they don't want it in the pic.

If you need help blurring out info just ask.

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A guy that fills out his tag, but doesn’t attach it before he takes his pictures, is probably not going to get a ticket.You must have missed the thread about the X zone hunter that got cited for no tag on the antlers a year or two back. If I recall correctly he was dragging it out when wardens cited him. Can't remember how far he was from the road but it seemed a little over the top to me if he was busting brush to get the deer out.

You post all the excuses you can come up with, when you're done I'll answer them in one post instead of the back and forth.

[Flatbroke]

Come on Peeps, its not that hard just follow the rules. We don&#39;t need to fight amongst ourselves as we have enough problems keeping the public lands open as it is, no matter what your hobby is hunting, fishing, backpacking etc. do the right thing and all will be well. Jesse and the other moderators do not need the BS, focus your efforts on preserving the land for your offspring and theirs.

Merry Christmas to all.

[bpnclark]

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Dec 25 2008, 08:53 PM)

Then simply blur out the info like everyone else does, just like they do when their license plate is visible and they don't want it in the pic.

If you need help blurring out info just ask.I think a lot of people don’t realize it or even think about it. That was my only point.

And no I did not see that post. If I was him, I would have gone to court on it. Leave it up to a Judge (and hope he/she is having a good day). If the tag was completely filled out and he explained his actions, he probably would have won.

[hatchet1]

there goes man thursday http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

[upper]

You know,I don&#39;t take much credit for making up the saying"Holly Molly" or inventing the "Green bean Caserol",but by golly lets put a tag in every picture.even if it is fake Upper

[MikenSoCo]

Fill out the tag then stuff it in the ear for the pic. Attach it to the antler when when done.... As one member here used say " Nuff Said". It is unfortunate that some unscrupulous guys will use the pic/drag excuse to not tag an animal. The DFG cannot tell who is who in the field. Crooks are excellent actors, ask any cop. Why give DFG or a cop any ammo at all to cite you. It ain&#39;t that tough to do it right http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[m57jager]

Okay, let me know where to draw the technical line.

Member with a can of beer in one hand, a rifle in the other and a buck okay? Yes, you mean to tell me that you have never put a,one, uno beer in your pack as a celebratory deal for after you harvest an animal. I have, and mmmmm, it was good (especially after miles of hiking)and I wasn&#39;t even .04. Doesn&#39;t mean people are getting drunk with guns.

Someone posting pics using a dead animal they just shot as target practice with their bows for laughs? People do this for laughs????

Someone posting pics of a dead deer in a obviously closed off limits area? Illegal, plain and simple.

Member humping a dead deer for laughs? Warm or cold? May not be for laughs.....

Member posting a pic of game not even in season or allowed? Huh, maybe they shot it when it was in season. Novel idea.

Believe it or not the above are examples of pics we&#39;ve pulled in the past.

[BOWUNTR]

I see... guilty before proven guilty. Come on. How could you remove these photos when you don&#39;t know all the details? How can you enforce this? The post about the guy who got the cite while dragging the deer out... I question the validity of his type written details. There is more to his story than what he let us know. This is Jesse&#39;s site and I guess he could draw the technical line wherever he wants. This one is way too left. IMO. ED F

[Common Sense]

QUOTE (BOWUNTR @ Dec 26 2008, 09:22 AM)

This is Jesse's site and I guess he could draw the technical line wherever he wants. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-jhp-rocks.gif http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-ani.gif

[bpnclark]

QUOTE (MikenSoCo @ Dec 26 2008, 05:27 AM)

Fill out the tag then stuff it in the ear for the pic. Attach it to the antler when when done.... As one member here used say " Nuff Said". It is unfortunate that some unscrupulous guys will use the pic/drag excuse to not tag an animal. The DFG cannot tell who is who in the field. Crooks are excellent actors, ask any cop. Why give DFG or a cop any ammo at all to cite you. It ain't that tough to do it right http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gifI guess you’re a criminal if you don’t attach the tag before you take a picture? It sounds like some people are putting this act in the same boat as poaching. The tag thing is not that big of a deal. I’ll take my chances.

I hope you guys drive exactly 55 Mph on the freeway. 58 is against the law and you can receive a citation.

[spectr17]

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The tag thing is not that big of a deal.Maybe not to you but wardens seem to get excited when they come upon untagged deer in pickups from my experience in CA, AZ, UT and MO where I hunt. Most have been cited that I've witnessed, I can think of one guy who got a stern warning and lecture.

As I said several times already, we're not going to become pic police looking for tags.

As far as alcohol in pics, please re-read my statement. You can have a beer after a kill, just don't take pics of you holding a gun with the beer and post them here. Guns and alcohol is something I don't want to promote. How goofy do you have to be to think that's going to fly?

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Member posting a pic of game not even in season or allowed? Huh, maybe they shot it when it was in season. Novel idea.Well, when the person shoots an animal not even open to hunting it's pretty simple. The other goof posted the date of the kill which was oh about 2 week from being open season.

You all continue the drama, I'm bowing out. I'm sure you can drag this into a 4 pager no problem.

[weekender21]

Jesse, I&#39;ll have to agree with you about the untagged deer in the back of a pick-up. There is absolutely no reason not to have a tag on the deer by that point.

If you fill out your tag completely and have it at the kill site, (in the ear, on the deer, on your pack, etc.) I don&#39;t think you&#39;ll ever have a problem if you take pics before securing it the the antlers.

IMO there is a huge difference between the two. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/two-cents.gif

[hatchet1]

while were on the topic of deer,how about them hog photos i never seem to see them tags on"secure to carcass of wild pig"
are they there, just not noticable in the pics?many a places you could secure a tag too, where does it stop.... http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley_stir_pot_ani.gif
[i like that little pot stirring guy and have really never had a chance to use it till now]merry x-mas http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-biggrin-santa.gif

[upper]

Hatchet,landowner willing,you dont need a tag where you take most of your pigs.A phone call to fish and game is in order though..........Upper

[hatchet1]

i beg to difer sir,i do believe a tag is required regardless of depradation or not.. at least where i hunt http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-cool-shades-down.gif

[hank4elk]

I have always tagged my deer ASAP. I attach it with electrical tape, in plastic if raining , etc... I&#39;ve taken them off for a few pics, but it was filled and attached first! I can remember them when I look at them later. Never bothered a hole lot with pictures anyway. The most importaant thing to me is getting the animal signed and cooled as soon as poosible. Pictures are a perk, and a camera is extra weight on alot of my hunts. TAG IT! I&#39;d rather not spend a day withDFG in court, my time is valuable, a picture is a perk. I took some pics of my 07 buck, and posted it under the d7 talk, it has a tag on.

[Vermonster]

QUOTE (BOWUNTR @ Dec 26 2008, 09:22 AM)
This is Jesse's site and I guess he could draw the technical line wherever he wants. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-jhp-rocks.gif http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-ani.gif


Ditto.......

[Flatbroke]

QUOTE (hatchet1 @ Dec 26 2008, 11:50 AM)

i beg to difer sir,i do believe a tag is required regardless of depradation or not.. at least where i hunt http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-cool-shades-down.gif
Upper is correct. No tag needed on depredation and you need to call the Warden to notify them

[hatchet1]

f.b., i must clarify my response,it is my understanding that the landowner must have the depradation permit in possesion
while on a depredation hunt? warden must be notified before hunting,i understand an individual tag is not required,should have
stated that in my previous post, said "tag" instead of" permit",there is a difference, my bad... , i,ll be out this weekend
trying to whack the elusive hog with stick and string, keep you guys posted as always http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-chainsaw-left.gif

[bpnclark]

I helped out on a deer depredation hunt on a vineyard when I was in high school. We had a tag book and every deer was tagged and brought to the DF&G. We weren’t able to keep anything.

Back to the topic – Hank4elk – If you tag it and then take it off, then you too are breaking the law. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-shakehead-blue.gif

[CATManReid]

I agree with Jackrabbit&#39;s first statement...as soon as the pics in the DFG Booklet have tags attached (elk, deer, bear, pigs, sheep) I&#39;ll start picturing mine with the tags attached. But until then, I&#39;ll continue my picture taking with the tag in my pocket waiting til after the pics to attach it. I like to take my pics on how I find the animal, and they don&#39;t run around with tags on them...hahaha

[upper]

Incendental Take and take under a depred permit are a little different.The permits have changed over the years from:you kill them gut them and stack them,well pick them up,,,to Issued tags after the fact ,,,to a booklet of tags.It all depends on if you go through the county ag dept. or fish and game.Depred permits can be used sometimes at night and pretty much any way except maybe poison.Incedental take,is your out looking around and LOOK there is a hog tearing up the rangeland,Pop goes the weasel....Upper PS 4 pages easy http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[hank4elk]

I take it off so it can be signed. Most of the racks in the cellar have tags on them still, one from 76&#39;..... I remember that hunt too!

[DEERSLAM]

Wow this is kinda crazy. Yes we all know the law for the most part but if you look in a lot of the mags, other sites and such a lot of critters aren&#39;t tagged. Hell I bet if I went back through all of my FIELD photos I probably have very few critters with tags on em. Guess I&#39;m a bad man.
If a Warden came across a hunter in the field who had just taken an animal and was setting it up for photos and gave him a ticket even though he had the proper tag filled out yet not attached yet for the photos I believe that would be absolutely chicken $h!+.

[spectr17]

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Wow this is kinda crazy. Yes we all know the law for the most part but if you look in a lot of the mags, other sites and such a lot of critters aren&#39;t tagged. Hell I bet if I went back through all of my FIELD photos I probably have very few critters with tags on em. Guess I&#39;m a bad man.[/b]

Please don&#39;t put words in my mouth. Try reading my posts first. A CA buck in a garage, a backyard or pickup truck SHOULD HAVE a tag on the antlers. A buck in the field may have to be drug out so I&#39;m not worried about field photos. The one post I remember that people whined about was a buck in a pickup that had no tag. Obviously it needed one and someone mentioned it. Then several called him a buzzkiller for it. It&#39;s simple concept really. Kill the buck, get it to your truck or home and make sure it has a tag on it before you post pics of it here.

Tell you what, next season drive around with an untagged buck in your truck and show everyone how proud you are it not being tagged and not ruining your pics. Let us know how that works out for ya.

Only 1 page so far, I&#39;m losing faith. Must be the holidays. Gotta be a few more chicken littles here to run around screaming the world is coming to end over this.

[WildlifeBranch]

At least in California, we have been evolving over the past couple years to only use pictures that show legally tagged animals in our publications. We&#39;re not their yet, but are getting closer.

The law is pretty clear on tagging animals here in CA; like said above, if you drive 58 in a 55 you are breaking the law.

The risk is for hunters to decide on how much they are willing to take, just like drivers.

Merry Christmas-- & have a Happy -- Eric

[upper]

Thats all you got Wildlife?Geeeeese Upper

[spectr17]

Merry Christmas Eric.

Upper, get back over by the eggnog where you belong. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-devil.gif

[WildlifeBranch]

QUOTE (upper @ Dec 26 2008, 01:14 PM)

Incendental Take and take under a depred permit are a little different.The permits have changed over the years from:you kill them gut them and stack them,well pick them up,,,to Issued tags after the fact ,,,to a booklet of tags.It all depends on if you go through the county ag dept. or fish and game.Depred permits can be used sometimes at night and pretty much any way except maybe poison.Incedental take,is your out looking around and LOOK there is a hog tearing up the rangeland,Pop goes the weasel....Upper PS 4 pages easy http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gifThe incidental take is the fairly new encounter law for landowners Fish Game Code 4181.1. There is concern that it is being abused and that people are out encountering pigs as if they are on a pig hunt.

Methods for killing pigs under depredation permit is usually specified on the permit by the issuing DFGer. Eric

4181.1. (a) Any bear that is encountered while in the act of inflicting injury to, molesting, or killing, livestock may be taken immediately by the owner of the livestock or the owner's employee if the taking is reported no later than the next working day to the department and the carcass is made available to the department.
(b) Notwithstanding Section 4652, any wild pig that is encountered while in the act of inflicting injury to, molesting, pursuing, worrying, or killing livestock or damaging or destroying, or threatening to immediately damage or destroy, land or other property, including, but not limited to, rare, threatened, or endangered native plants, wildlife, or aquatic species, may be taken immediately by the owner of the livestock, land, or property or the owner's agent or employee, or by an agent or employee of any federal, state, county, or city entity when acting in his or her official capacity.

[upper]

Now we are talking Mr. Eric ,thanks.When is a pig not about to destroy?Again thank you ......... Upper

[MikenSoCo]

" Gee officer, I was going to tag my deer after the pic"

" Gee officer, I was going to tag my deer just after I field dressed it"

" Gee officer, I was going to tag my deer just after I dragged it to the truck"

"Gee officer, I was going to tag my deer just as soon as I made it home"

" Hey Bill, I made it all the home without tagging my buck! I still have a tag, what are you doing next weekend? Let&#39;s go hunt" http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

[WildlifeBranch]

QUOTE (upper @ Dec 26 2008, 04:13 PM)

Now we are talking Mr. Eric ,thanks.When is a pig not about to destroy?Again thank you ......... Uppergive me a better hint if you want more energy in a response-- it is the holidays. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

that up there (not about to destroy) is the irony about "wild pig management" and the other pig thread about opening up a Diablo state park.

In effect, we're damned if we do damned if we don't do wild pg management as game management is typically done to increase the game. turkeys & pigs, not so much.

MikenSoCo = BINGO! oh oh a doublepost. what do I win?

[Rancho Loco]

Wildlifebranch!! Solve most of this problem and get rid of the crappy California tags and get the indestructible Tyvek ones like most of the other states!

[Hitechhunter]

The official DF&G printed material admittedly prints pics w/o tags, but this website won&#39;t allow it.

What other web sites don&#39;t allow pics without clearly visible tags?

[upper]

Find out and tell us Hightech,while you still can......................... Upper

[bpnclark]

Maybe you guys should start notching and detaching the tag before you walk up to the animal. You never know – you might get a citation. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/afraid_face.gif

[spectr17]

I second the want for Tyvek tags. The paper tags get ruined in the rain and just fall apart in my pack after a few weeks unless I stumble upon a deer or bear right out of the gate.

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The official DF&G printed material admittedly prints pics w/o tags, but this website won&#39;t allow it.[/b]

Re-read my posts please and stop putting words in my mouth I never posted.

MikesoCo, thank you. I&#39;m sure they are more than a few here wondering what the big deal is about tagging a buck the way DFG spells it out on the tag. I&#39;m also sure it will not sink in for a few either. That&#39;s the cross we bare I guess.

[Rancho Loco]

Here&#39;s my A zone buck from 2007.. NO TAG.

http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/Buck4.jpg

What do you think the tag would look like after I drug it through this?

http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/other_way.jpg

Someone turn me in!!

[upper]

Boy ,I have never seen so many tough hunters get sooo weak after the kill.Really........Upper

[bpnclark]

Rancho – that is against the law. You are a criminal.

Throw the book at him MikenSoCo!!! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley_smack_paddle_ani.gif

[spectr17]

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[jackrabbit]

Dang, Rancho is now a fugitive in Montana. With those ferns on the ground in the criminal pic, I&#39;d say he poached that deer in the Santa Cruz, CA hippie mountains. Is there a bounty on Rancho now? How much is he worth (dead or alive?)? Don&#39;t think any CA bounty hunters will be trekking to Montana for him for a while though -- too cold!!

[MikenSoCo]

Man up and get it done like the rest of us. BP can put a band aid on ya if ya make it out http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[bpnclark]

I think some of you guys are not living life right. When you’re thinking about what is wrong or right, I have the solution. Just ask yourself “What would Snoop Dogg do?”

What’s more important? Taking a picture or getting a little ticket. Don’t be scar’d.

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[Rancho Loco]

I&#39;m living in &#39;ol Ted&#39;s cabin!! Come and get me!!!!

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg245/gardensk8/unibomber.jpg

[upper]

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[CATManReid]

I see what you mean Jesse. Makes perfect sense now.

After my photo session&#39;s over I tag the buck before I even move it, clean it, etc. I can see where the confusion in this thread lies though. Pictures in trucks or driveways with no tags is a no brainer.

Please pardon my confusion! Kudos.

[AZ Jim]

Arizona has pre-printed tags all you have to do is sign them before you go into the field. They seem to be fairly durable under "normal" conditions but can tear, due to the perforated design (I think that is what it is in the center of the tag). I know I have had a couple of close calls with the tag tearing almost all the way through when hauling out critters in rough terrain, you just have to be extra carefull.

AZ regs. state the animal has to tagged immediately after the kill. I know I have seen people take pictures before they have tagged their game, but tag them immediately after the pictures are taken. I guess it depends on the game warden as to how strict they are, but I think they would be somewhat lenient in those circumstances ??? I know I have been stopped in the field with a tag I forgot to sign. The warden just handed me a pen and said "sign it" and explained the importance of signing it, and sent me on way.

Anyway it is our responsibility as hunters to follow the rules. I don&#39;t think the tag takes away from the picture. Just position it facing straight back, or hold your hand around it in the picture, or camoflauge it somehow if you don&#39;t like it. Below are pictures of my 2006 buck. I don&#39;t think the tag takes away from the photo (but that is my opinion). It shows a legally taken animal and we as hunters should be proud of that.

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AZ Jim

[Flatbroke]

Still on the first page hmmm.

[jls456]

I have my validated tag in my pocket when packin&#39; out,or for pictures........attached to the antlers after kill and when in camp or being transported..like the regulations say,if you read them.

[pschultheis]

You know the guy who runs this thing and ultimately moderates this forum said that tags need to be placed on antlers if you are to post a pic. Seems simple!! Fact is, if that man says that I need to place a tag on antler, close one eye, scream like a banshee, do the hookie pokey and proclaim I love men with hairy backs in order to post a picture on HIS website I then have two choices.

A. Place a tag on antler, close one eye, scream like a banshee, do the hookie pokey and proclaim I love men with hairy backs, then post my picture.

B. Don’t post a picture.


So what’s all the fuss about?

[upper]

Wham,balam........Upper

[Flatbroke]

I understand and can appreciate the Tags for deer, I would prefer to return to the old, no tag requirements for hogs.

[hank4elk]

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif I&#39;m waiting for the tyvek tags along with a DFG website that works for applying for tags or looking up info. Even Utah is miles ahead of the Dot Com state.

[VHRAM]

I tie strap mine on then roll it around the antlers and then use those short bunges with the ball end to wrap it around the antlers , so I dont lose it when draging out the deer. Ive seen wardens be very picky about how you notch the tag, 1 guy in the next camp to us got citation cause it was a "hanging chad" and not fully removed, the deer in my avitar is wraped like I said you can barley see it under my hand in the pic.

[bpnclark]

VHRAM – I hope you have that deer tagged in your avatar. It looks like you shot it somewhere downtown while shopping. You have the body laid out on the sidewalk.

Very nice by-the-way http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[upper]

Boy BP,the hunter you are and still can&#39;t recognize road kill..........Upper

[CaliJeephuntr]

What a joke of a thread.... people are too anal about a field picture. If you want to tag your deer before a field photo, then do it. If you want to take the photo before attaching the tag, then do it. In the end this is too ticky tack and people are taking it waaaay to literally. If you want to follow the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law then that&#39;s your choice.

[spectr17]

QUOTE

What a joke of a thread.... people are too anal about a field picture. If you want to tag your deer before a field photo, then do it. If you want to take the photo before attaching the tag, then do it. In the end this is too ticky tack and people are taking it waaaay to literally. If you want to follow the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law then that's your choice.So the guy who posted the pic with the buck in his truck bed awhile back with no tag on it that some asked about. Is that ticky tacky? Is that a buzzkiller? Or should we point out it's a bit over the edge for spirit of the law since it's obviously a recovered buck and NOT a field pic?

[buckfever07]

I tag my deer when I recover them and remove the tag for those 14 seconds I shoot a couple pictures. If I&#39;m a criminal book me baby. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/handcuffs.gif

Jr

[snoopdogg]

Wait a second, don&#39;t bring me into this! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

<blockquote>I think some of you guys are not living life right. When you’re thinking about what is wrong or right, I have the solution. Just ask yourself “What would Snoop Dogg do?”

What’s more important? Taking a picture or getting a little ticket. Don’t be scar’d. </blockquote>

[CaliJeephuntr]

QUOTE (CaliJeephuntr @ Dec 28 2008, 9:35 PM)

QUOTE
What a joke of a thread.... people are too anal about a field picture. If you want to tag your deer before a field photo, then do it. If you want to take the photo before attaching the tag, then do it. In the end this is too ticky tack and people are taking it waaaay to literally. If you want to follow the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law then that's your choice.

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Dec 28 2008, 10:42 PM)



So the guy who posted the pic with the buck in his truck bed awhile back with no tag on it that some asked about. Is that ticky tacky? Is that a buzzkiller? Or should we point out it's a bit over the edge for spirit of the law since it's obviously a recovered buck and NOT a field pic?


I'm not sure what picture you're talking about, maybe a link would be a good reference. But even still, unless you know the whole story then I think it's still a bit ridiculous. Maybe they just got the buck in the truck after dragging it out of a big canyon and was about to attach the tag and someone just happened to snap a shot of the deer? Hypothetical sure, but it's still just as bad to assume that just because it's in the truck with no tag that it's not going to be tagged or the guy is just as bad as some guy who poaches a deer at night.

And yes, buzzkill is proper word for a lot of what goes on on this site now a days. Instead of enjoying a story, or a picture, some people are critiquing ithe whole thing to look for anything that is wrong and then blowing it up like it's some kind of national incident. This was a site to enjoy hunting experiences, not to bad mouth someone who may have done something that some other JHO member thinks is a sin of the devil. Road hunters is the perfect example of that.

If I down an animal, soon as I get there i'm going to enjoy the moment, take a few pictures, then drag it to the truck where I will then attach the tag. This is what i've always done and I see absolutely no problem with that. However, when I pull in to the game shack, at either FHL or VAFB, the tag is attached. Every time I see an animal brought in to FHL game shack I see a tag attached. Did they attach it soon as they got to the animal or wait till they loaded it onto the vehicle? I don't know and I don't care. All I know is it was tagged when it was checked in and that is all that matters.

[superduty]

It&#39;s normally the newbies that get crunched on this one. Anyone that has been here long enough knows that. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-chainsaw-left.gif Personnaly, I have MY pictures and the ones I take for posting here. Regardless though I DO tag before loading into a quad or truck or anything including a game cart. I&#39;m not about to risk losing my privelages just because I&#39;m too anal to tag my buck. The only thing that worries me and keeps me on my toes is loosing the tag durring a long drag so I tend to keep looking just to make sure. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-rolleyes-green.gif
Fire away boys. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[D9BUCKKLR]

I have taken some pics before I taged http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif . but have always taged before draging. I use about 7 zip tys and strap that sucker on so it wont fall off while I drag. although this year my buddy was worried in colorado that he was going to lose his in the snow while draging , all he had was electrical tape so we covered the whole thing with tape. when we go to the road and were loading him in the truck the game warden pulled up. he said as long as it was punched right after the kill we could carry it in our pocket untill we reach the truck.

[spectr17]

QUOTE

If I down an animal, soon as I get there i'm going to enjoy the moment, take a few pictures, then drag it to the truck where I will then attach the tag. This is what i've always done and I see absolutely no problem with that.That's fine, just don't whine when you get asked by a warden why no tag and get cited. Just as we don't allow alcohol in pics were not going to allow pics of CA bucks that have been OBVIOUSLY recovered that have no tag on the antlers. One of the reasons some are doing this is because they see pics of untagged CA bucks like you mention and figure that is the right way. Eric from DFG said they are starting to weed out the untagged pics for their publications for the same reason. It's sending a mixed message as some of you pointed out here in this thread.

QUOTE

And yes, buzzkill is proper word for a lot of what goes on on this site now a days. Instead of enjoying a story, or a picture, some people are critiquing ithe whole thing to look for anything that is wrong and then blowing it up like it's some kind of national incident. This was a site to enjoy hunting experiences, not to bad mouth someone who may have done something that some other JHO member thinks is a sin of the devil. Road hunters is the perfect example of that.Road hunting IS NOT illegal, lets stay on the topic. If someone posts something that is illegal I have asked members and mods to point it out and we'll remove it. I'm not going to look the other way like some do in the field because someone winks and claims they'll tag the buck when they feel like it. I've personally watched a warden cite a group for cheating the system this way. After watching one group drag out 3 deer and never tag it we had the local warden step in. On deer 4 the guy produced the tag claiming he had a tough drag across an open meadow. Funny thing was out of 8 guys he had the only tag and they never showed up again after getting cited. This group were all shooting and driving off with untagged deer. "Oh, we're gonna tag it" was the usual response when we asked.

QUOTE

I'm not sure what picture you're talking about, maybe a link would be a good reference. But even still, unless you know the whole story then I think it's still a bit ridiculous. Maybe they just got the buck in the truck after dragging it out of a big canyon and was about to attach the tag and someone just happened to snap a shot of the deer? Hypothetical sure, but it's still just as bad to assume that just because it's in the truck with no tag that it's not going to be tagged or the guy is just as bad as some guy who poaches a deer at night.Maybe pigs will fly some day too. I have no problem popping a pic where the deer fell. If someone sneaks a pic before you tag it at your truck DON'T POST IT. If the pic is in your driveway or truck bed it needs to have a tag on it. I'm not going to turn loose the pic police here but I'm also not going to promote questionable methods of some hunters who feel the rules don't apply to them and they'll do as they please.

Either follow the tag rule and properly tag the buck after you have it RECOVERED or don't post the pic, it's that simple. As for the whining and claims of buzzkilling, I'm not sure what to say. Maybe you can attend a hunter safety class with me and you can explain your version of when to tag and why to the new folks. Maybe ask a warden why this is a huge loophole some hunters use to shoot 3 or 4 deer a year on one tag.

[Hunt Crazy In Ca]

Ill admit, ive done the hole take the picture thing first and then tag it after....im guilty as charged i will say I WILL alaways tag my animals....I dont know about the rest of you but there is no better feeling then punching that tag and attaching it to that animal and knowing all that work and sweat was so worth it......the feelin of success!!!!!!!!THAT is why I hunt!!!!

[bpnclark]

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Dec 29 2008, 05:42 PM)

I have no problem popping a pic where the deer fell. If someone sneaks a pic before you tag it at your truck DON'T POST IT. If the pic is in your driveway or truck bed it needs to have a tag on it.Thanks Jesse. This is clear and makes prefect sense. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

To the guys that don’t carry cameras in the field: If I have to drag it back to the truck, it’s going to look like sh*t when it gets there. That’s why it’s usually best to take the photos where they fell. You can get a nice small 6 to 10 mega pixel camera today that weighs less than a pound. And they’re getting pretty cheap too.

And why drag at all? I now use my old frame pack or my 4500. I know longer drag anything out. It’s a lot easier to quarter them (any animal) out in the field and carry it back. Even if you have to make 2 trips. But if you wait to take pictures when you get back to the truck, no one will want to see them.

My http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/two-cents.gif

[upper]

BP,pictures are secondary to the law,Period.why do you argue that so,so,fervently? Upper

[XDHUNTER]

Guilty as charge....

[Flatbroke]

^^^^ http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-rolleyes-green.gif http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-popcorn.gif

[upper]

XD those guns against the tree look loaded.You should unload your gun before you tag.Nice forken antler by the way http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif Upper

[SCREWLOOSE]

QUOTE (jackrabbit @ Dec 26 2008, 06:34 PM)

Dang, Rancho is now a fugitive in Montana. With those ferns on the ground in the criminal pic, I'd say he poached that deer in the Santa Cruz, CA hippie mountains. Is there a bounty on Rancho now? How much is he worth (dead or alive?)? Don't think any CA bounty hunters will be trekking to Montana for him for a while though -- too cold!!
If Rancho transported those pics across state lines is he now a Interstate Fugitive? Maybe the FBI should be looking him up...

[bpnclark]

QUOTE (upper @ Dec 29 2008, 09:16 PM)

BP,pictures are secondary to the law,Period.why do you argue that so,so,fervently? UpperFirst - my tag is always filled out. It might not be attached before the pics, but it’s filled out.

Second - pictures are very important to me. I won’t mount an animal unless it’s bigger (a lot bigger) than average size of that species. That leaves me with just a photo. Not that it’s a bad thing. I hunt for the meat, the experience and the memories. What better way to keep a memory then with a pic?

Third - I drive 58-62 mph on a 55 mph freeway. I don’t always make complete stops. My license plate tag light is missing off my Jeep. And I cut the tag off my mattress.

I hunt far off the road. I carry a camera with me. Photos are taken before any cuts or dragging happens (just like everyone else I know and hunt with). I have never seen any warden away from the road. It’s just a risk that I’m going to take. To me – it’s not that big of deal. If I get a ticket – I get a ticket. I don’t care. I’m not a poacher and I’m not a criminal.

[XDHUNTER]

QUOTE (upper @ Dec 29 2008, 09:31 PM)

XD those guns against the tree look loaded.You should unload your gun before you tag.Nice forken antler by the way http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif UpperLoaded with dirt, rolled down the hill with me twice...

thank's for the comp.

[Common Sense]

QUOTE (bpnclark @ Dec 29 2008, 09:38 PM)

First - my tag is always filled out. It might not be attached before the pics, but it’s filled out.


A few times I have attached the tag after throwing the deer on my tailgate, but the first thing I do after harvesting a deer is fill out and NOTCH the tag. Depending upon the circumstances; I attach it to the antler or put it in my pocket, then I begin to field dress. The letter of the law requires me to attach immediately no matter what; but if the tag is filled out and notched so it cannot be used again, I figure I have met the spirit of the law. The chances of a game warden seeing me are usually slim to none (I wish there were more wardens), so it is basically something you do because you think it is the right thing to do --- not because you are afraid of getting caught.

[hank4elk]

Right on Jesse!! &#39;Nuff said.

[bucknut]

QUOTE (D9BUCKKLR @ Dec 29 2008, 04:15 PM)

when we go to the road and were loading him in the truck the game warden pulled up. he said as long as it was punched right after the kill we could carry it in our pocket untill we reach the truck.Nice to see someone out there advocating common sense. Even if it is all the way over in Colorado.


QUOTE

Nice forken antler by the waylol Upper. You get a star by your name.

[MikenSoCo]

The bottom line is while most of us are upstanding, law-abiding hunters, there are manipulative, coniving, unscrupulous poachers out there as well. While it&#39;s hard for most of us to escape our "legal" way of thinking, you have to understand there is no way for a warden to tell us apart out in the field. The strict enforcement of existing game laws is needed in order to weed out the abusers. It&#39;s the responsibility of law abiding hunters to follow the rules to a "T", and inso doing you are helping the game wardens weed out the opportunistic, casual poachers. Remember, not all poachers are obvious, sloppy, and blatant. If you&#39;ve got nothing to hide, follow the damned rules. Show me a man with a bag of excuses and I&#39;ll show you a man with a bag of tricks. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[bucknut]

QUOTE (MikenSoCo @ Dec 26 2008, 05:27 AM)

Fill out the tag then stuff it in the ear for the pic. Attach it to the antler when when doneIs that following the rules to a 'T'? Stuffed in the ear is not 'securely attatched'.

[CAhntr]

For the record I completely agree with Jesse. If the buck is already at the truck or in the driveway it should have a tag on it.

MikenSoCo, isn&#39;t this your buck?

I see no tag. Practice what you preach.

[bpnclark]

Oh MikenSoCo, say it isn’t true. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

[Litch]

Hey Mike, that looks like a Deer only smaller. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-hitting-self.gif
Another thing, I never want to hear again about the dink I shot in CO one year! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-wave-hello-yellow.gif
I promise I won&#39;t bring that picture to the Duck Club if you come up this season, just make it up there.

[MikenSoCo]

Ya that&#39;s my buck, tagged and dragged 1 1/2 mile to the truck on private property to boot. Left the tag on all the home. Stuffed tag in the ear for a pic at home. Back on the antler just after. I think Fish and Game is good with that. There Not good with guys dragging bucks with no tag, driving down the freeway with no tag, etc... I stand by what I said. I think the point is clear, fill out and tag your buck in the field. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[bucknut]

Ah Ha!!! What else you got in your bag of tricks Mike?

[MikenSoCo]

That&#39;s good Buck!! But you&#39;ll still never see me with that tag in my pocket http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/afraid_face.gif Remember, I&#39;m not accusing, just trying to shed some light on why Fish and Game does what they do. It&#39;s a tough job, thankless most of the time. Now if you&#39;ll give me a break here, I need to go fill my A zone tag http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-blackeye.gif

[bpnclark]

Come on. There is no tag in that deer’s ear.

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I also don’t think you did anything wrong either. But how can you keep talking about following the exact letter of the law and have that pic? It’s caped out in the back of your truck, and you say its stuffed in the ear? Sounds like an excuse to me.

[bucknut]

Just giving you a hard time Mike. Following the rules to a T is not always easy. Lots of examples of that have been givin here on Jesses, in this thread and others. I think completing the tag is the important thing here. I doubt a poacher would fill out the tag if they planned going back out and re-using it. If you have it filled out properly and on hand while taking the pics, I don&#39;t see a problem. I&#39;ll continue to assume most wardens are reasonable intelligent people like the one D9 ran into in Colorado. Hopefully I&#39;ll never get ticketed for it but I&#39;ll take my chances.
Good luck in A zone. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[BOWUNTR]

WOW!!! I&#39;d expect this on other sites... but here?? http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley_beatin_horse_ani.gif Ed F

[Glass eye]

On my first ever hunt in AZ, I shot a javelina, and after taking a few pics a game warden walked up to me dressed in hunting clothes. He asked why there was no tag on it yet, I told him that I was taking pics and was about to tag it. He said that he heard the shot and that I had plenty of time to tag it. I told him that it took me a few minutes to find the pig (they blend in real good) and I hadn&#39;t gutted it or attempted to pack it out. It seemed that the more I tried to convince him that I wasn&#39;t a poacher, the more he was out to get me. This went on for about 20 minutes, finally I told him to just write the ticket and get it over with. He let me go.
When I shot my tule elk in &#39;06 I knew that the game warden and biologist were not far away. I immediatley began to fill out my tag and my friends wanted to take pics before tagging it. I was paranoid because of what happened years earlier in AZ. My friends convinced me to relax for the pics and tag it later. The Fish & Game used the tag-less pic in their &#39;07 Big-Game Digest.

[Flatbroke]

QUOTE (Glass eye @ Dec 30 2008, 12:57 PM)

On my first ever hunt in AZ, I shot a javelina, and after taking a few pics a game warden walked up to me dressed in hunting clothes. He asked why there was no tag on it yet, I told him that I was taking pics and was about to tag it. He said that he heard the shot and that I had plenty of time to tag it. I told him that it took me a few minutes to find the pig (they blend in real good) and I hadn't gutted it or attempted to pack it out. It seemed that the more I tried to convince him that I wasn't a poacher, the more he was out to get me. This went on for about 20 minutes, finally I told him to just write the ticket and get it over with. He let me go.
When I shot my tule elk in '06 I knew that the game warden and biologist were not far away. I immediatley began to fill out my tag and my friends wanted to take pics before tagging it. I was paranoid because of what happened years earlier in AZ. My friends convinced me to relax for the pics and tag it later. The Fish & Game used the tag-less pic in their '07 Big-Game Digest.
They are not the same, do you need to tag Javelina's in AZ?

[Glass eye]

QUOTE (Glass eye @ Dec 30 2008, 12:57 PM)
On my first ever hunt in AZ, I shot a javelina, and after taking a few pics a game warden walked up to me dressed in hunting clothes. He asked why there was no tag on it yet, I told him that I was taking pics and was about to tag it. He said that he heard the shot and that I had plenty of time to tag it. I told him that it took me a few minutes to find the pig (they blend in real good) and I hadn't gutted it or attempted to pack it out. It seemed that the more I tried to convince him that I wasn't a poacher, the more he was out to get me. This went on for about 20 minutes, finally I told him to just write the ticket and get it over with. He let me go.
When I shot my tule elk in '06 I knew that the game warden and biologist were not far away. I immediatley began to fill out my tag and my friends wanted to take pics before tagging it. I was paranoid because of what happened years earlier in AZ. My friends convinced me to relax for the pics and tag it later. The Fish & Game used the tag-less pic in their '07 Big-Game Digest.


QUOTE (Flatbroke @ Dec 30 2008, 03:00 PM)


They are not the same, do you need to tag Javelina's in AZ?



Yes, I know that a JAVELINA and a PIG are not the same. Hunters in AZ often refer to them as pigs. And YES, javelina hunting in AZ is by permit/TAG only, and must be attached immediately after killing.

[Flatbroke]

Thanks for clearing that up. I was confused to what you had shot since you told the Warden you were looking for the pig. Those Javs are ornery little critters.

[Flatbroke]

Very Nice Elk Glass Eye

[upper]

OK,You guys need to know how to tag and de-tag.Once you tag the animal,take the tag off for pictures hence de-tag.And if the warden gets Stiffy the fine for de-tagging is way cheaper..Hope this helps Upper

[couesdeer77]

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Dec 25 2008, 08:49 PM)

QUOTE
Personally, I think you're being too technical.Okay, let me know where to draw the technical line.

Member with a can of beer in one hand, a rifle in the other and a buck okay?

Someone posting pics using a dead animal they just shot as target practice with their bows for laughs?

Someone posting pics of a dead deer in a obviously closed off limits area?

Member humping a dead deer for laughs?

Member posting a pic of game not even in season or allowed?

Believe it or not the above are examples of pics we've pulled in the past.
[/quote]

Okay, where do you draw the line. Why would you not remove a picture of this clown from Texas with a picture of five pigs lying on the ground, with two of them being baby pigs. One pig might weigh only two or three pounds, the other about twelve pounds. In another pic this guy has this weird demented look on his face. This guy gives all hunters a bad name. Let's draw the line where it really needs to be drawn. Check this out, post - Sun 12/7/08 TEXAS Hunt, Evening hunt hogs, hogs, hogs, hogs, hogs http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/index....howtopic=186526 (http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=186526)

I think a deer without a tag in the field is not even close to this guys post. If a guy has a deer beside or in the back of his truck, well then I would agree.

My 2 cents
Couesdeer77

[upper]

Whu hu Coues,that was more like 57 cents.But Don&#39;t ever confuse Deer hunting with Hog Shooting.Hogs are big ground suirrels that eat good.The shizzle is they can also Kill you.....Upper

[couesdeer77]

QUOTE (upper @ Dec 30 2008, 07:19 PM)

Whu hu Coues,that was more like 57 cents.But Don't ever confuse Deer hunting with Hog Shooting.Hogs are big ground suirrels that eat good.The shizzle is they can also Kill you.....UpperI have hunted both and I know what you are saying about pigs in certain areas of the state and country. But as I said, posting a picture like that makes us all look bad. I guarantee you people other than hunters look at this site. Would anyone on this site post a picture of a couple spotted fawns? I don't think so.

Take care
Couesdeer77

[spectr17]

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Would anyone on this site post a picture of a couple spotted fawns? I don&#39;t think so.[/b]

I would. I&#39;ve even shot one young deer I slung over my back in MO. Weighed in at 41 pounds. We were hunting for meat and it was legal. I&#39;ve seen others with young deer that were barely out of spots. As long as they are legal I have no problem with taking them. If it&#39;s not your cup of tea that&#39;s fine, just don&#39;t rain on someone&#39;s parade here over what you think is wrong.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Why would you not remove a picture of this clown from Texas with a picture of five pigs lying on the ground, with two of them being baby pigs.[/b]

You may want to check yourself. The "clown" is a member here and there is NOTHING wrong with them shooting hogs that little. Especially when its in TX where they are a problem and many hunts are depredation hunts to kill every hog they can.

You seemed to have missed the "legal" part of this conversation regarding tags on deer in CA. Not tagging a deer in your truck is illegal in CA. Shooting small pigs in TX is not. Please stay on topic if you&#39;re going to post in this thread. Hijacking the thread into what you think is ethical is not the topic.

[upper]

Cous,last thing I want to see is this thread go to 4 pages,Butt spotted hogs are good,if tagged properly.I have never seen a deer fawn pictured in a harvast picture.Do you have any pictures of this?My beef is people bring this stuff up as if it is or could be common.But it seldom is.You got pictures of fawns or not,put up or tag up..........................Upper

[wmidbrook]

Operative words: slick tag

I was told by a fish and game warden in CA that the primary concern was that the person who just harvested an animal was not in possession of a "slick tag." I was told that in most cases if you fill out your tag shortly (as in minutes) after the kill, you basically avoid any problems. If you have a slick tag once you start to pack the animal out, you could be asking for problems. This policy may have changed.

In CA, I don&#39;t recall the exact regulations, but I would think one could slit a little hole behind an ear or some place similar and insert the filled out tag if dragging or packing out a buck in brushy country. I&#39;ve shoved tags in cow ears and "plugged it" with a stick &#39;cause I forgot my zip ties before...that works too.

Is it legal in CA to shove a tag in the ear canal for pictures? or to just tag it their rather than affixed to the antlers?....it&#39;s kinda nice to give an animal an "earring tag".....sense of ownership and pride that goes with that imo given it&#39;s a common practice with livestock. It&#39;s what I do with antlerless tags....slit a hole in the ear or on a small piece of hide with evidence of sex if quartering out for a pack.

[couesdeer77]

Jesse, you were the one asking, Where do I draw the line on photos. I responded to your question, I did not high jack the thread. If you ask a question, I'm asuming you are looking for a response. I gave you my opinion like others on this thread have done. It is just my opinion, not any better or worse than others on this board. "Again, just an opinion"

You are correct I should have not called another member a clown, " My apologies to him"

Upper, you need to read the thread I compared the two as being equal. (Shooting fawns and piglets) I did not say that I saw any posting of fawns on this site.





Okay, let me know where to draw the technical line.

Member with a can of beer in one hand, a rifle in the other and a buck okay?

Someone posting pics using a dead animal they just shot as target practice with their bows for laughs?

Someone posting pics of a dead deer in a obviously closed off limits area?

Member humping a dead deer for laughs?

Member posting a pic of game not even in season or allowed?

Believe it or not the above are examples of pics we've pulled in the past.


I don't high jack a thread / post. Just responding to questions asked.

Take care
couesdeer77

[Flatbroke]

QUOTE
Personally, I think you're being too technical.


QUOTE (spectr17 @ Dec 25 2008, 08:49 PM)
Okay, let me know where to draw the technical line.

Member with a can of beer in one hand, a rifle in the other and a buck okay?

Someone posting pics using a dead animal they just shot as target practice with their bows for laughs?

Someone posting pics of a dead deer in a obviously closed off limits area?

Member humping a dead deer for laughs?

Member posting a pic of game not even in season or allowed?

Believe it or not the above are examples of pics we've pulled in the past.


QUOTE (couesdeer77 @ Dec 30 2008, 07:02 PM) [/URL]

Okay, where do you draw the line. Why would you not remove a picture of this clown from Texas with a picture of five pigs lying on the ground, with two of them being baby pigs. One pig might weigh only two or three pounds, the other about twelve pounds. In another pic this guy has this weird demented look on his face. This guy gives all hunters a bad name. Let's draw the line where it really needs to be drawn. Check this out, post - Sun 12/7/08 TEXAS Hunt, Evening hunt hogs, hogs, hogs, hogs, hogs [URL="http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=186526"]http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/index....howtopic=186526 (http://index.php/?act=findpost&pid=1074140)

I think a deer without a tag in the field is not even close to this guys post. If a guy has a deer beside or in the back of his truck, well then I would agree.

My 2 cents
Couesdeer77


Cousdeer77,

I am the clown you make reference to, although it may not be to your liking, nor do I care, That was a very productive hunt. The hogs are used to feed the hungry in Texas. sure larger are better but any size will to a hungry person. I do not reside in Texas but because I think feeding the hungry is such a worthy cause I donate money to support the cause, and occasionally my time too. It is not as much or as often as I would like but every bit helps. I also donate locally, in more ways than I care to mention.

What do you do with your meat? Are you only a trophy hunter?

[couesdeer77]

What do you do with your meat? Are you only a trophy hunter?



I hold out for the bigger buck but will harvest a small buck when time is running out. "I love venison" If I shoot it I eat it.
As I said in the earlier post, "My apology for the clown comment" With that said I would have taken the picture with the three larger pigs only. "My opinon"

Take care
couesdeer77

[upper]

Coues I am on a sticking point here.When something is brought up to substatiate ones opinion,and is not finished,it bothers me.Too much Crap is threw against the wall to try to make a point.No Fawns Were killed in the process of this thread nada, zip ,zero Upper

[spectr17]

Even though clowns scared the crap out of me as a kid there is no clown bashing allowed here. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-chainsaw-left.gif

[upper]

You know just to get off trak for a second.I was coming home from an elk hunt in Idaho when on the side of the road I see a clown.He was tattered and bleeding.When I asked what he heck,he replied Wolves.His car had broken down a few miles back.It was not a main road and the Wolves took him.Don&#39;t know how he made it or how he is today...........Upper

[Flatbroke]

THat was funny Upper. I think I saw him holding a sign as you enter Twin Falls just passed the Snake River. I will have to dig up a picture as it was about 21 years ago and I didnt have a digital camera at the time.

[upper]

Oh I forgot to add,when I asked the clown why the Wolf Tag team diden&#39;t finish him off?He overheard one wolf say to another"This guy tastes funny" Imagine...................Upper

[bpnclark]

Never, ever call Javelinas, pigs.
Always attach a tag before any pictures.
Use paragraphs.
Spell words right.
Don’t Road hunt.
Don’t refer to members as clowns.
Don’t drink a beer in a picture.
Don’t shoot fawns or little pigs.
Don’t block the road when you’re hunting.

That’s what I learned in 2008. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[Arrowslinger]

Don&#39;t forget the all important:

Sleeveless shirts = more dead animals.

[CaliJeephuntr]

QUOTE (bpnclark @ Dec 31 2008, 10:09 AM)

Never, ever call Javelinas, pigs.
Always attach a tag before any pictures.
Use paragraphs.
Spell words right.
Don’t Road hunt.
Don’t refer to members as clowns.
Don’t drink a beer in a picture.
Don’t shoot fawns or little pigs.
Don’t block the road when you’re hunting.

That’s what I learned in 2008. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gifDon't forget all issues are to be seen as black and white.

[weekender21]

-Javelinas are rodents, not even related to pigs.
-Following the law, sometimes a little gray.
-proper English does help get your point across.
-call a spade a spade, just remember what opinions are like.
-Beer taste good.
-Why would you shoot a fawn? Little pigs taste good too.
-If you don&#39;t block the road, someone might follow you to your honey hole....I use cones.
-Oh yeah........deer have antlers.

What was this post about? http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

[Glass eye]

QUOTE (weekender21 @ Dec 31 2008, 11:56 AM)

-Javelinas are rodents, not even related to pigs.Really ! strangest, largest squirrel I've ever seen.
I hope you're kidding and not buying into what some evolution book claims.
Nose, hooves, teeth=pig
just because they have a scent gland, and ears like an oppossum doesn't mean they ain't in the pig family.

[weekender21]

nope, they are not related to pigs...look it up. There are no pig species native to North America. Javelinas are native to the South West. Not that I really care, call them what you want, they certainly look like pigs.

[upper]

species is finite,research the genus ,maybe the Family.Let us know we&#39;ll Tag along.I would do the study for you but then it would be about me.Happy new year I am in and done at 10 PM................... Upper

[SCREWLOOSE]

QUOTE (Arrowslinger @ Dec 31 2008, 10:13 AM)

Don't forget the all important:

Sleeveless shirts = more dead animals.
I thought sleeveless shirts meant you forgot to pack the TP. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

Now go find a job...Posting at 10:13 am is for the working class sitting in thier office pretending to do real work.

[Common Sense]

QUOTE (Arrowslinger @ Dec 31 2008, 10:13 AM)
Don't forget the all important:

Sleeveless shirts = more dead animals.


QUOTE (screwloose @ Dec 31 2008, 10:27 PM)


I thought sleeveless shirts meant you forgot to pack the TP. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

Now go find a job...Posting at 10:13 am is for the working class sitting in thier office pretending to do real work.




I thought sleeveless shirts meant you could shoot bobcats out of season. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

[weekender21]

http://www.desertusa.com/magnov97/nov_pap/du_collpecc.html

All about the Javelina! Again, the fact they aren&#39;t related to pigs is a technicality in my book but good info to know either way.

[jesunter]

Anybody out on a bounty hunt for Rancho Loco should take another look at the terrain he stalked that deer through, making a perfect shot with a bow.

[upper]

Weekender,tell me now,how can you be in the same Family and not be related?Even a Redneck can&#39;t answer that.Can&#39;t wait to see who try&#39;s,............Upper

[Common Sense]

I got several people in my family that I always tell everyone that we are not related.

[bpnclark]

Javelinas are pigs.
Whales are fish.
Bigfoot is a man in a monkey suit.
And Maury said "You are not the father!"

Things I learned in 2009 http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[upper]

Ok, back on topic,who here or someone in their family has lost a tag off their buck?Come on you non taggers lets here some stories.I think the fear of loosing a tag is a bad fobia,and there is just no help out there for ya..................Upper

[Flatbroke]

Upper, I seem to have the reverse problem, I lose the buck after the shot (missed) and still have the tag. Got quite a collection.

[weekender21]

-Upper, did you click that link? The Javelina isn&#39;t in the same family, or related.

-I haven&#39;t ever lost a tag but I have put one in my pocket to avoid loosing it; properly filled out of course. I guess if I could remember the materials necessary to properly attach the tag I wouldn&#39;t have a problem.

Oh yeah, I need to start shooting them closer to the road too. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

[upper]

Boy oh boy did I make a mistake,Tagonomy speaking,or is it taxonimy speaking,they are in the same Order not Family.Ever kill a hippo of a peccary?.....And Flatbroke that is funny ,clown funny upper

[bpnclark]

Got......








to........







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3 pages.........









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[upper]

Anybody have any old picyures of Salmon with tags on them?That would be slickkk..............Upper

[Glass eye]

Weekender
Don&#39;t believe everything you read. Just because some Darwinian prints something, doesn&#39;t make it so.
In MY BOOK, it&#39;s a skinny pig with 3 hind toes instead of 4. How could it be anything else ?
You could travel the world with a javelina and ask anybody, anywhere "what is it" and ALL would say it&#39;s a specie of pig. Only a darwinian could call it a rodent.

As for the lost tag. I have a friend who lost his CA antelope tag while packing it out. F&G accepted the report card as proof.
I just recently recieved a mulie, same circumstances, and a copy of the report card was acceptable as a tag for F&G.

[weekender21]

interesting perspective....

[Common Sense]

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Dec 30 2008, 08:58 PM)

Even though clowns scared the crap out of me as a kid there is no clown bashing allowed here. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-chainsaw-left.gif
Is it okay to bash a clown if we tag the ear immediately after bashing? http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-rolleyes-green.gif

(The thread made page three!)

[Glass eye]

QUOTE (weekender21 @ Jan 2 2009, 10:14 AM)

interesting perspective....Did you change your avatar just for me ? http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-newlaugh-yellow.gif

[upper]

I think he did Glass eye,what a peccary head he is eh? ....Upper

[Glass eye]

QUOTE (upper @ Jan 2 2009, 11:31 AM)

I think he did Glass eye,what a peccary head he is eh? ....UpperThat would make him pig-headed, haven't you learned anything http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-sideways-laff-aqua.gif

[weekender21]

nice catch glass eye, you have been paying attention. Yes, that is a wild pig.....ya like?

[AZ Jim]

With all this controversy, I just have to know just how bad is this CA big game tag ?

What is it made of ? How does it attach ? Is it really that fragile ? Does anyone have a close up picture of one ? Has anyone ever proposed to CA&#39;s G&F dept. to upgrade the tag to a more durable one ? Is it really too ugly to be attached to the game ?


P.S. Oh, and eventhough the book calls them a rodent, javelinas are refered to as pigs in 99% of all hunting circles I know of, ........ and you tag them through the hind leg as soon as they are dead.

Making sure your game is dead before you tag it is the important part.

I am reminded of the story that is told around here in hunting camps, of the guy who shot a bull elk in unit 6A. He tags it, sets his new Browning rifle with sling through the antlers, gets behind to pose with the animal for the picture, and..... the elk stands up and runs away. The way the story is told he chased it for miles and never found the elk or his rifle. That would suck, no tag, no rifle, and probably ticketed for improperly tagging an animal.


AZ Jim

[Speckmisser]

Well, I&#39;ve sat on my heels this long on this thread...

AZ Jim, the CA tag really isn&#39;t that "fragile" at all. It&#39;s kind of big and clunky, and if it&#39;s not attached properly it&#39;ll come off in the brush, but they&#39;re decent card stock and can handle some strain. If I&#39;ve got a long drag, I fill out the tag and keep it in my pocket. I don&#39;t usually drag anything any more, though, so I wrap the tag onto the antler (or leg, if it&#39;s a hog) with some bowstring I keep in my bag with my tags.

I am a little surprised that CA hasn&#39;t gone the route of some other states, like North Carolina, by installing an 800 number you can call and report your harvest. They give you a number, which is the equivalent of tag validation and allows you to possess the animal after harvest. You&#39;re still supposed to tag it, but once you call it in, if you have that number you&#39;re golden.

Oh, and love the point about making sure it&#39;s dead before you tag it!

[tylercreek2]

before u move it tag it, s&#39;very simple, move it with no tag and say hi to a warden,,,,,, good luck with that
as far as the pic&#39;s its jesse&#39;s site end of story,,,, this thread makes me think it just might be the off season http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/lame-sign.gif

[bpnclark]

CA needs to upgrade to online licensing before they do anything with new tags.

[hank4elk]

Since you are lucky to get anything in mail from CA DFG, don&#39;t push it with the internet stuff here. They will really make a cluster... of it. And the tags we get come apart in rain, etc.. the Tyvek ones from those backward states like Utah and New Mexico are great as are their websites. I have wound up with unreadable paper taped with electrical tape for a tag to sign, Warden wasn&#39;t happy... must keep warden happy.

[bobby7321]

am I crazy or would a photo of someone wearing a mule deer cape over their head be in the same category as lets say someone riding a dead hog??? i mean if we&#39;re going to be anal about things, then lets be anal across the board.

for the record I don&#39;t have a problem AT ALL with either of the photos, just making a point. because I am human, and I understand that good people can do these things with no bad or disrespectful intentions. so I give them a pass and see the funny or harmless side in it...

If some old timer starts telling you about some funny story about poaching way back in the day or shooting multiple limits of doves, you gonna jump all over him for being unethical? tell him you aren&#39;t interested in hearing such things? give me a break. we all enjoy photos and stories. for the most part we are all adults. just let people tell their story then you can form your own opinions on each situation (because they are ALL different). It just seems like some people feel like they accumulate brownie points for pointing negative things out. I give people the benefit of the doubt, I think people will be more willing to share if we all did the same.

[upper]

Boy Bobby,Kurt Darner tell you yo post up???? Upper

[bobby7321]

if somehow you think i condone poaching because of my statements above, your completely missing my point.

my great uncle tells me about how they used to shoot a doe the first night of deer camp back in the 50s, for eating (you know the same type of thing Darner used to do...). Would I do that myself today? NO. Can I appreciate that the times were different back then, so maybe I shouldn&#39;t rush to judgement? YES. I still want to hear the stories, so I&#39;m not going to pick them apart.
Would I have a buck in the back of my truck without a tag wrapped around the antler. Probably not. Am I going to say "hey man, wheres the tag?!" to some other guy&#39;s photo. NO, I don&#39;t know all the circumstances. I would rather read the story and see the photo, give them the benefit of the doubt and keep my negative thoughts to myself. Of course everyone has the right to voice their opinion, and the people who run the site have every right to enforce any rules they see fit. I&#39;m just giving my two cents on how some posters might feel when they come across this type of thing and how it might play a part when they are deciding if they should share.

[upper]

Bobby,on that point what are you going to do when your grandson drags a doe into camp and says(This campmeat is on Great Uncle Harry),enjoy!!!!!!!.Some stories are better left in camp............Upper

[Birdi23nls]

hey what ever happen to the guy with no sleeves on his shirt? bobcat killing, pig hunting, deer shootin&#39;, sturgen catching, telling the gospel truth guy?

[hatchet1]

this thread ranks right up there with that one, http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/lame-sign.gif i think the dude went by the name "nor-cal",
he got heckled to death and left the sight,or the boss tossed him for way to much b.s.,
kind of miss his fiction though,made for great coffee reads in the morning...

[betelgeuse]

None lead ammo $ 47.00
Binoculars $1500 dollars
Boots $250

Deciding where when and how to attach the tag....priceless

I mean think about it. On a positive note, this is a good problem to have http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbs-up-ani.gif

[Hitechhunter]

Phew...finally got caught up.

The only problem I have with filling out and attaching the tag immediately after the kill, is then you can only use the tag once.

[AZ Jim]

QUOTE (Speckmisser @ Jan 3 2009, 09:47 AM)

Well, I've sat on my heels this long on this thread...

AZ Jim, the CA tag really isn't that "fragile" at all. It's kind of big and clunky, and if it's not attached properly it'll come off in the brush, but they're decent card stock and can handle some strain. If I've got a long drag, I fill out the tag and keep it in my pocket. I don't usually drag anything any more, though, so I wrap the tag onto the antler (or leg, if it's a hog) with some bowstring I keep in my bag with my tags.

I am a little surprised that CA hasn't gone the route of some other states, like North Carolina, by installing an 800 number you can call and report your harvest. They give you a number, which is the equivalent of tag validation and allows you to possess the animal after harvest. You're still supposed to tag it, but once you call it in, if you have that number you're golden.

Oh, and love the point about making sure it's dead before you tag it!
So Speck,

Just so I can picture this CA tag in my mind; Is it made of non-adhesive card stock, but not laminated to be water proof. Then the hunter fills it out with a pen (?) after he has killed the animal. Then wraps it around the antler and ties it tight to the antler with cord or tape or string he supplies. No reinforced hole for a piece of wire ? What kind of info is required on the tag ?

I hope it does not sound like I am demeaning the tag, the CA hunters or their G&F, it just seems like as big a state as CA is, they would have a more modern durable tagging system.

Would it be legal to fill out the tag and sign it before you hunt, then laminate it and then wire it on when you kill your animal ?

I guess we are spoiled here in AZ with ours then. Even though it is not perfect, it is adhesive and you have to wrap it around the antler, leg (turkey), or through the gambrel. It is what I would call a plasticized, fiber re-inforced paper that is filled out with the species, hunt unit, hunt dates, etc... The hunter just signs it before entering the field and then removes the backing wraps it around the appropriate tagging location for the species and sticks it to itself.


AZ Jim

[upper]

Anybodt ever go hunting with someone who already tagged a buck,but wanted to go again with his wifes tag????? Upper

[Speckmisser]

That&#39;s pretty close, Jim. The part you put on the animal is about a 2"x2" square with a single hole, not reinforced. (I&#39;d take a pic of one, but the camera is in the truck and it&#39;s raining.)

The months and dates are on the edges of the card, so you can notch the month and date of the kill with your knife. It&#39;s two-sided. You fill in one side with the hunter&#39;s information before hunting, then fill out the other side after the kill. This includes the time, method, number of antler points, and location of your kill. It also includes the area for countersigning.

It isn&#39;t the most "user-friendly" tag I&#39;ve ever seen, but it&#39;s not as bad as some folks make it out to be. I&#39;ve had them floating in the cooler and soaked in my pack several times and they were still completely useable. They&#39;re probably most vulnerable during transportation.

By the way, NC used to have the adhesive kind, but too many hunters claimed that they didn&#39;t work well when wet or bloody. Nothing is perfect.

I&#39;m outta this thread now... I just can&#39;t see it coming to any good end. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

[quack_head]

Game warden told me. If you filled your tag out properly and are in the process of transporting it through a area that could destroy or cause the tag to come off, carry it on the person who shot the game. Pictures without the tag could be used as evidence if you did not have a tag. The spirit of the law is to deter people from using the tag for additional game.

The warden I spoke to said pictures without tags are not a concern unless there is suspicion of illegal acts.

[CaliJeephuntr]

QUOTE (bobby7321 @ Jan 4 2009, 12:52 PM)

am I crazy or would a photo of someone wearing a mule deer cape over their head be in the same category as lets say someone riding a dead hog??? i mean if we're going to be anal about things, then lets be anal across the board.

for the record I don't have a problem AT ALL with either of the photos, just making a point. because I am human, and I understand that good people can do these things with no bad or disrespectful intentions. so I give them a pass and see the funny or harmless side in it...

If some old timer starts telling you about some funny story about poaching way back in the day or shooting multiple limits of doves, you gonna jump all over him for being unethical? tell him you aren't interested in hearing such things? give me a break. we all enjoy photos and stories. for the most part we are all adults. just let people tell their story then you can form your own opinions on each situation (because they are ALL different). It just seems like some people feel like they accumulate brownie points for pointing negative things out. I give people the benefit of the doubt, I think people will be more willing to share if we all did the same.QFE!

[Flatbroke]

QUOTE (upper @ Jan 5 2009, 04:42 PM)

Anybodt ever go hunting with someone who already tagged a buck,but wanted to go again with his wifes tag????? UpperNo, but I have hunted with a guy that used his buck tag for a bear tag and wanted to get another buck. Almost to 4 pages.

[upper]

Boy Flatbroke,just when you think you are not going to make it.I think when this is all over,and my Jagd has one by the balls,I am going to tag it while it is alive.Then when the picture time comes I have nothing to worry about.Is that legal?????? Upper

[bpnclark]

I want to see this thing go to 4 pages.

[upper]

This thread does bring more than one important point to light.Speaking of light I think I will have another Coors.............Upper

[spectr17]

QUOTE

Anybody ever go hunting with someone who already tagged a buck,but wanted to go again with his wifes tag?????When I was a kid this one elderly grandmother got a nice buck every year but I never saw her out in the stands. When she got older she had the shakes so bad she couldn't eat a bowl of soup. One time in the gunshop I asked, without knowing, how she could stay still long enough to put a crosshair on a deer. EVERYONE in room looked at me and then it dawned on me it wasn't grandma shooting those bucks.

[Hitechhunter]

There&#39;s an 84 year old woman I know who gets her buck every single year, in D5!

She shoots the same old 300 Savage she&#39;s been shooting since at least the 50&#39;s. She says if she were to notch the stock for each deer she got she would have no stock left. Although she hunts on private ground, they are wild D5 bucks (not backyard deer). I know, I hunt the same area and haven&#39;t taken one there for years.

[Flatbroke]

QUOTE (upper @ Jan 5 2009, 07:09 PM)

Boy Flatbroke,just when you think you are not going to make it.I think when this is all over,and my Jagd has one by the balls,I am going to tag it while it is alive.Then when the picture time comes I have nothing to worry about.Is that legal?????? Upper
It sure would be brave or nuts maybe to attempt that with a 25 pound dog anchoring the hog. I sure would like to get another Nut dog. Big Tusker witnessed first hand, up close and personal what our last one could do on a big boar. Gave a whole new meaning to one out hunting.

[roosutton]

I don&#39;t know if they sell these anymore but the company put their info on the back for future reference. They are made of heavy plastic with a zip lock top to keep water out and it has a small pen for filling out your tag. I loop the bungie cord on the top through a belt loop above my pocket so I don&#39;t forget my tag and license at camp and so they get lost while hiking. I haven&#39;t lost one yet.
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When my son took his buck this year I helped him fill out his tag. Before putting it on the buck we took a few pictures where the buck lay.
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Before we moved or eviscerated the buck we attached the tag with the handy tag holder and proceeded to drag the buck for 2 hours through some nasty manzaneta brush that was unforgiving. The tag never came off and never got damaged. When we got back to the truck we took a few more photos this time with the tag on. It is a little distracting but I guess it could have been rotated to hide behind the ear. Too exhausted to think about that at the time.
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[Orygun]

So,

Do you have do have keep the tag on the antlers if another JHO member offers to butcher your deer for you instead of wasting money at a meat processor? http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-cool-shades-down.gif

[jackrabbit]

I see that Alzheimers is kicking in Orygun -- don&#39;t you remember, those deer don&#39;t need tagging, they are always taken with a "depravation&#39; permit!

[Hogskin]

QUOTE
Anybody ever go hunting with someone who already tagged a buck,but wanted to go again with his wifes tag?????

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Jan 5 2009, 08:55 PM)



When I was a kid this one elderly grandmother got a nice buck every year but I never saw her out in the stands. When she got older she had the shakes so bad she couldn't eat a bowl of soup. One time in the gunshop I asked, without knowing, how she could stay still long enough to put a crosshair on a deer. EVERYONE in room looked at me and then it dawned on me it wasn't grandma shooting those bucks.

I had a great grandmother in Texas that constantly shook like a wet dog but that old woman could still shoot a squirrel out of the top of any tree with a .22. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-wow-eyes-yellow.gif

[upper]

Hogskin,yaknow your Grandmother should not shoot a rifle up in the air like that! Upper

[Hogskin]

It was only a problem if she missed, which she didn&#39;t.

[Speckmisser]

So, if this thread makes four pages, will ya&#39;ll quit posting?

Yeah, I know, I said I was out... and this one isn&#39;t nearly as entertaining as the Norcal thread. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

[bpnclark]

4 pages and I&#39;ll quit http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-wnk-yellow.gif

[jackrabbit]

Hey Speck, Jesse threw down the gauntlet on this one when he challenged the humble masses to take it to four pages!!!! Let this be a lesson -- DON&#39;T EXCITE THE PROLETARIAT!! Four pages or BUST!!!

[PIGIG]

is it 4 yet?

[jackrabbit]

We&#39;re almost there pigig, just settle down and go back to drawing on your Etch-A-Sketch, if you fall asleep we&#39;ll wake you up when we get there. Did you at least pee at the last gas stop?

[CaliJeephuntr]

QUOTE (PIGIG @ Jan 6 2009, 01:08 PM)

is it 4 yet?It's after 4 where i'm at....




Oh, you meant pages.. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-hitting-self.gif

[upper]

Ok,ok Who holds the record for saying "I am done with this thread"Yet comes back 50% of the time?Come on who be the Boss...................Upper

[Rancho Loco]

I just got out of lock up!! Who turned me in??? I think it was Speckmisser. And those tags suck, you knows it, everyone knows it.

I did find some intel on good elk zones in the county house.. Ed&#39;s recipe for pruno paid off nicely.

Carry on you gapers!!!

[SCREWLOOSE]

Upper, am I going to have to count your posts in this thread? Actually you don&#39;t have any competition with TMONIZ in the penalty box...

BTW, who has my UPPER to ENGLISH translator? I can understand about 80% of what he posts but that other 20% is just plain confusing...

[upper]

Ok,ok Screwloose hope you have your socks off.........Upper

[bpnclark]

QUOTE (screwloose @ Jan 6 2009, 06:37 PM)

BTW, who has my UPPER to ENGLISH translator?The old Microsoft Word 2000 has it. They didn’t include it with newer versions.

If you don’t have Word 2000 just slam a 6 pack. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[upper]

Ok.ok you guys know if you keep it up there is a 50-50 chance I Will not be back,maybe...............Upper

[bpnclark]

Why wont this turn 4......

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley_chain_gun_ani.gif

[Flatbroke]

Rancho,

How many ketchup packs did you have to save?

[hank4elk]

Maybe now... TMoniz sends his regards http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

[Flatbroke]

I dont think this Officer is going to wait for the Warden on this one

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/Flatbroke/NoTag.gif

[wmidbrook]

If it&#39;s slick, you&#39;ll be caned with a stick.

If the photo&#39;s tag bare, say so long ta postin&#39; hair.

If the horn ain&#39;t got paper, you&#39;ll wind up in jail in Draper.

If you dine without a tag, you&#39;ll wind up in the local rags.

If you shoot without the gps on, your harvest survey is bygone. ($50 fine please)

If you fill your tag out with lead, they won&#39;t believe your critter&#39;s dead.

If it ain&#39;t notched just so, you would have been better off lettin&#39; it go.

If you can&#39;t laugh at this thread, you&#39;d have been better off sleepin&#39; in bed.

...I digress..... http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-bag-on-head.gif

[Flatbroke]

Dont eat yellow snow.

[Flatbroke]

A tag in your hand may get you banned if it dont get you put in the can.

[Common Sense]

QUOTE (upper @ Jan 6 2009, 10:46 AM)

Hogskin,yaknow your Grandmother should not shoot a rifle up in the air like that! UpperYou sure can learn a lot here. Before I joined JHO I figured everyone would shoot a quail on the ground, if the opportunity availed itself. Now I know it is unethical to ground sluice birds, but my taste buds override my ethics http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-devil.gif . Since I don't got a dog to find downed birds, it always seemed ethical to shoot quail on the ground(they are much easier to find than birds that fall out of the sky).

My old grandma did teach me it was un-sportman's like to shoot a squirrel with a shotgun, so I always used a .22 --- and they do call them tree squirrels for a reason! Course my mama prefered I use a shotgun for squirrels, cause my grandpa said it was wrong to shoot a squirrel anywhere except the head. So if I used a .22, the head was usually destroyed; but with a shotgun the head was usually intact. This was import to my mother, cause the only part of the squirrel she would eat when we had squirrel & dumplings was the brain.

Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with shooting a squirrel out of a tree with a .22(if you are in the middle of nowhere), but I reckon some people do. I also know that some folks consider a squirrel's skull(after the brains are removed) to be a weapon. In fact, I know a feller that got paddled by the principal for bringing such a weapon to school forty-five or forty-six years ago. (The principal really got mad when he called my father and dad started laughing.)


Anyway, what does this have to do with tagging deer????? I have never tagged a squirrel or quail; but I can remember tagging pheasants many years ago.

(are we to page four yet?)

[Orygun]

Speaking of tags I was very (un)impressed by the number of rocks with graffiti on the Kern River when I was visiting last week. Made me nostalgic for Azusa Canyon.

[upper]

Gee Common,Can&#39;t you see what my posts generate?Pages baby,mo pages.Come on Bushwacker!!!!!!!!!!!! Upper

[bpnclark]

My grandma is from CA. She doesn’t mess around with squirrels.

http://redriverpak.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/granny20with20gun.jpg

[CaliJeephuntr]

She must drive in LA, right?

[bpnclark]

Nope - Stockton http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-gunfighter-yellow.gif

[upper]

BP,your Grandma is the Queen of England?? Upper

[bpnclark]

Nope, but people make that mistake all the time. That’s why she always keeps the heat nearby. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-gunfighter-yellow.gif

Is it 4 pages yet?

[upper]

Yea,BP,you don&#39;t look like the Polo type.4 or 5 more,Marco?????????????? Upper

[Flatbroke]

You sure Grandma was hunting something larger?

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/Flatbroke/Deer2.jpg

[Flatbroke]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/Flatbroke/Deerinpole.jpg

be difficult to tag this one.

[upper]

That deer was probably reading this thread,and could not take any more.Pitty,she was one of the few that could really understand me.I&#39;m guna miss her.....Upper PS I came back to this post because I think the next one is a page turner after Commons post.And Common fear not I got your ring! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif Upper Also if anyone reads this ,go to page 5 and tell them I am not going there Upper.

[Common Sense]

QUOTE (upper @ Jan 7 2009, 04:45 PM)

That deer was probably reading this thread,and could not take any more.Pitty,she was one of the few that could really understand me.I'm guna miss her.....Upper
Does anyone know if Jesse sells Upper De-coder Rings in the JHO store?????????

[huntingbret]

Reading this thread cracks me up every time. Keep the good stuff coming guys.
Yes, it&#39;s the 4th page and I&#39;m the first one to post. Did I win anything?

[Lurediver]

QUOTE (huntingbret @ Jan 7 2009, 05:13 PM)

Reading this thread cracks me up every time. Keep the good stuff coming guys.
Yes, it's the 4th page and I'm the first one to post. Did I win anything?
Yes you did, one free hog hunting trip to beautiful Lake Sonoma. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[Flatbroke]

Dang it LD you turn him on to the "G" Spot. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-cool-shades-down.gif

[bpnclark]

Finally – I feel like I accomplished something in my life. Now I just have to kill something with a spear… http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

I first would like to thank Jesse for believing in us. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif For Upper to keep it going when we thought everything was done http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif And to my 2 grade teacher who said I would never amount to anything. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif Thank you http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[jackrabbit]

NOW THAT WE HAVE HONORED AND PLEASED THE GREAT DOMINATOR (PROCTOLOGIST?) OF JHO BY REACHING PAGE 4, MAY THE GAME TAGS AND ALL THE DECEASED GAME PLEASE REST IN PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[huntingbret]

LD, thanks but again, I&#39;m going to have to pass.
Jackrabbit, you took the words right out of my mouth, not literally that is. I hope to join this big group and lay a buck to rest next season.

[jesunter]

Don&#39;t shoot squirrels in trees. Shoot the bark just under their belly.

[spectr17]

After rethinking the no tags on antlers and pic policy, it seems the wardens will allow you to not have the tag attached if you&#39;re dragging the deer or take the tag off for a pic. Anything more than that I wouldn&#39;t push my luck.

So pics with no tags are kelw.

Eric (DFG), is DFG going to weed out tagless buck pics for publication?

The other night I was checking out the brag board at Bass Pro here and I&#39;d say 75% of the buck pics had tags on them. I was guessing it would be lower around 40%.

[WildlifeBranch]

Hi Jesse- We are trying to-- It would be great if all the amazing pictures taken of game harvested were properly tagged according to their regulations. As discussed here, the 1st priority is to fill out "immediately"; we&#39;ve talked about only using pictures of tagged animals, but sometimes you can&#39;t see the tag or sometimes there are some amazing shots of animals from CA that are not tagged.... therein is our difficulty.. There is no requirement that a photo show the tag that I am aware of... it may be behind in the ear on some animals or a gloved hand may cover it on others...If we have enough source of high quality photos of tagged animal things will be good.

Changing the paper to tyvek type material will likely come with the automated draw system.

enjoyed this thread. Eric http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Hitechhunter]

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Jan 8 2009, 06:21 PM)

After rethinking the no tags on antlers and pic policy, it seems the wardens will allow you to not have the tag attached if you're dragging the deer or take the tag off for a pic. Anything more than that I wouldn't push my luck.

So pics with no tags are kelw.Yes, victory!

Now I can keep using the same tag for multiple deer. Tnx, Jesse!!!

[CaliJeephuntr]

QUOTE (spectr17 @ Jan 8 2009, 06:21 PM)
After rethinking the no tags on antlers and pic policy, it seems the wardens will allow you to not have the tag attached if you're dragging the deer or take the tag off for a pic. Anything more than that I wouldn't push my luck.

So pics with no tags are kelw.

QUOTE (Hitechhunter @ Jan 8 2009, 07:48 PM)



Yes, victory!

Now I can keep using the same tag for multiple deer. Tnx, Jesse!!!


LOL No doubt! Deer season will never end now! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-devil.gif



(Yes I am joking about that... I get a deer the tag will be filled out and validated.)

[bucknut]

QUOTE (WildlifeBranch @ Jan 8 2009, 07:14 PM)

Changing the paper to tyvek type material will likely come with the automated draw system.Eric,
'Automated draw system' meaning online? You probably have been asked this before and I missed it but can you give us a ballpark on when the online app system will be put into service? May? 1-2yrs? 5yrs?

[MULIES4EVER]

Wow. This is the kind of stuff that makes your head spin. I cant believe I actually read most of this.

[snoopdogg]

Whew! Thanks Jesse.

Eric, don&#39;t answer this question!!!! Don&#39;t do it! LOL "&#39;Automated draw system&#39; meaning online? You probably have been asked this before and I missed it but can you give us a ballpark on when the online app system will be put into service? May? 1-2yrs? 5yrs?"

[spectr17]

Correct me if I&#39;m wrong Eric, but at the last F&G Commission meeting in Upland the DFG employee reported they were on year 12 of the online licensing system and the vender was 1/2 way there. The bombshell was there were no performance bonds or penalties for the contractor if they did not perform. The employee also mentioned a second option of scuttling the current progress/contractor and starting over with another contractor. I about fell out of my chair when I watched the video and saw this.

Bottom line, we are YEARS away from online licensing and someone needs to be held accountable for this nonsense. Whoever gave the green light to a contractor for a project this size with no milestones or performance bonds needs to be fired. That&#39;s our money they just pissed away and here we sit, still driving to DFG offices to get our bobcat tags because we don&#39;t want to mail in our hunting license.

Unbelievable.

[prohunter]

I think when this thread dies it will have to be put in the Hall Of Fame Forum!

[jackrabbit]

Aw, c&#39;mon prohunter! this thread doesn&#39;t come anywhere close to the old norcalihunter "I&#39;ll skin your deer for free" thread that took more hilarious twists and turns than a one-winged-bat. (Blacktail forum)? All those pages were just hilarious, and I don&#39;t think the JHO gods granted it the Hall of Shame/Fame status that it truly deserved -- sure wish I would have saved that one to memory so I could review it like an old movie from time to time (I still might if I can).

[Common Sense]

QUOTE (prohunter @ Jan 9 2009, 05:00 PM)

I think when this thread dies it will have to be put in the Hall Of Fame Forum!This thread is not flesh, so does it have to die?????????????????????

[Hitechhunter]

Yeah, the next time DF&G does a media release on the lack of funds for wardens, let&#39;s do one on the money wasted on this program. I wonder who the contractor is related to or who he is paying off at DF&G. Sounds like the GAO or Atty general ought to investigate.

Gov&#39;t whines so much about lack of funds at the bottom level (wardens, teachers, cops), yet wastes so much at the top with bloated, incompetent bureaucracy and outright fraud that is it just sickening.

[WildlifeBranch]

QUOTE (snoopdogg @ Jan 9 2009, 11:14 AM)

Whew! Thanks Jesse.

Eric, don't answer this question!!!! Don't do it! LOL "'Automated draw system' meaning online? You probably have been asked this before and I missed it but can you give us a ballpark on when the online app system will be put into service? May? 1-2yrs? 5yrs?"yes-- the online and/or point-of-sale system.


Right now, my understanding is that it is being planned for within 1-2 years http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR#%3E/smiley-idea-blu.gif ; as pointed out repeatedly on this forum, the Commission has been harsh on Dept for this inability to get it done this past year. I think the message was heard.

I don't know all the details about the contractor performance or requirements, & if I did couldn't share them, but suffice it to say that contracting with the State of California can be a cumbersome process and filled with all kinds of requirements/issues -- google California's State Administrative Manual and the Department of General Services if you get bored !

Eric

[easymoney]

On the topic of computerised systems, CA lags behind all states I hunt in. Some have had this type of POP system in places for 15 years. or more
And, IMHO, jesse has made the main reasons why we don&#39;t have this system up and running here in CA pretty clear and wildlifebranch has nailed it from the DFG standpoint, "but suffice it to say that contracting with the State of California can be a cumbersome process and filled with all kinds of requirements/issues ".
This is a perfect example of the dysfunctional process used to do any business in CA government, too much time and money wasted at the legislative levels getting bogged down further by these "requirements/issues".

[hank4elk]

Sacrademento knows how to waste our tax dollars thats for sure! Too many chiefs and chief middle men(persons?) But knowing this state as I do it won&#39;t change. Tyvek tags might not need an EIR and vetting proccess. And I&#39;d trust it before I&#39;d trust any internet system CA would come up with.They&#39;d figure out how to empty our bank accounts and max our cards.... but I trust Utah&NM&#39;s systems...

[spectr17]

We can&#39;t sort out online licensing and the state is about to go belly up but we&#39;re still givin illegals free schooling and college tuition.

Some one smack me upside the head with a big tuna and tell me it&#39;s just a nightmare and I&#39;ll wake up soon.

[MikenSoCo]

4 pages is bogus... Upper and BP just learned how to write more than one sentance http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/afraid_face.gif Rancho, I wasn&#39;t diggin on you with my band-aid comment, I&#39;ve witnessed your effort. If we put as much as effort into our next hunt as we put into this thread, we just might kill a buck just like Kurt&#39;s http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[db 183]

QUOTE (Common Sense @ Jan 9 2009, 05:24 PM)

This thread is not flesh, so does it have to die?????????????????????And if it dies, do we have to put a tag on it before it goes in the hall of fame? And if we put a tag on it, can we take it off while we transfer it to the hall of fame?

I just got done looking through this thread. It cracks me up on the things we spend our time on...

I always look at it through eyes of the "golden rule". That is, "he who has all the gold, makes the rules". In this case, it is Jesse's site, he can do or make whatever rule he wants....

Although I had to go back and check out the post of my daughter's doe. The tag was in a fishing license holder on the deer's neck and not immediately obvious in the picture. I was getting worried that I might have to post up a different pic where the tag was more obvious.

[CaliJeephuntr]

*chip chip chip*
*chip chip chip*
*chip chip chip*


Page 5 slowly gets closer.....


*chip chip chip*

[chap_dog48]

Sad the the Silicon Valley and the high computer industry we have and we can get a online draw system. Someone is paying someone off. SAD http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/afraid_face.gif

[sancho]

thanks for the time killers. phew! great read

[dglover]

Not trying to keep it goign but there were plenty of laughs along the way! Thanks for the laughs.

[MThomas88]

Ive got the solution! My family has been doing this for years! I know most of you worry about losing your tag off of the rack and dont want the tag danglin from the rack in your photos.

We fill out the tag and notch the appropriate areas, roll it around the base of one side and cover it with a piece of wax paper to keep blood, mud or anything else from damaging the tag. Then we run two pieces of thin bailing type wire around the tag and rack and tighten both to assure the tag remains in place for the trip home. To tell the truth, you cant really tell its there in the photos and it still meets the tagging requirements for CA DFG!

[talbro94565]

the bottom line is you shoot and kill it you tag it first before you start cleaning it and this goes for deer 'bears, pigs,and turkeys no in between

[dkhuntr25]

bro get off ur high horse

[Stoger]

Wow some people over think stuff i think as long as the tag is filled out then attached to the proper place after the pic is taken.Whats the problem?