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chuam
04-14-2008, 02:47 PM
NASHVILLE, TENN. — The tax system collects its due, even from a class of workers with little likelihood of claiming a refund and no hope of drawing a Social Security check.

Illegal immigrants are paying taxes to Uncle Sam, experts agree. Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it.

link (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/5695140.html)

While I still think illegal immigration is a problem I found this article interesting.

easymoney
04-14-2008, 02:50 PM
"Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it."
Bingo, just like the exact number of ILLEGAL trespassers here, they have no idea...
I would love to see a full accounting, just like the hospitals do in order to keep track of billing they milk the taxpayers for...

Val
04-14-2008, 03:33 PM
Give me a break, illegal aliens are't stupid. All they have to do is claim a large number of dependents and nothing is with helod for State or Federal income tax. Yeah they do pay into the failing Social Security system which does not come close to making up for what they consume in taxpayer pai services. Chuam are you that gullible that you believe articles such as this BS you posted?

Jeff S.
04-14-2008, 06:18 PM
Well, let's see, Jose and Maria work for minimum wage - in California, that's $16,000 per year each = $32,000. They pay a bit of SSI - 7%, that's 2200, but no state or federal income tax - sheesh, they lied about their SSN, why put the right number of deductions down. They buy their clothes and household goods at swap meets and food is non - taxible, so there's no sales tax. OK, ok, Juan's sixpack he drinks every day after work. At $5 that's 40 cents a day times 365 days = $146 per year. OK, maybe a little hidden in the rent they pay in the two bedroom apartment hey share with two other families, say $500 a year (and that's generous. So they pay a grand total of 2200 + 146 + 500 = $2846.

They have 4 kids, Juan, Diego, Isabel, and Ana. They each go to public school @ $11,000 each, that's $44000. They use the emergency room for health insurance because after all, it's FREE! and go say four times a year at about $1000 per visit. That's another 4 grand. They ride the bus to work, and every time someone gets on a bus and gives them a dollar, you and I pony up $2. 4 rides per day, 250 work days a year, that's 1000 rides = $2000. That's 44,000 + 4,000 + 2000 = $50,000.

So they use at least $50,000 in tax services and pay less than $3,000.

Now remember these people use sidewalks, police & fire services, garbage pickup, state parks, beaches, vector control services, and all the other government services our tax money graciously provides also.

chuckslayer
04-15-2008, 11:08 AM
I must have a SS number to earn money in order to pay taxes. How do they get a SS number..steal it ? If they willingly will steal anSocial security number..no doubt they will defraud and steal from the person whose identity they have already stolen.
One is either honest or a crook..can't be both..

chuckslayer
04-16-2008, 03:43 PM
Did anyone notice the news today ? Feds rounded up a couple hundred ILLEGALS in poultry processing plants across the country.
They ALL were using STOLEN IDENTITIES.
Which one of you libs would like your identity stolen and used for who knows what ..perhaps to break you ?

Sound like fun ?

Dubya D
04-16-2008, 04:19 PM
Lets say all illegal immigrants in this country pay $9bil in Federal taxes...in CA, illegal immigrants cost the state tax payer $10.5bil education, medicare and incarceration.

LINK (http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecentersffe c)

Looks like they owe this state alone $1.5bil...I'm not seeing the net benefit.

COHunter
04-16-2008, 06:19 PM
Well.... does that make it alright for a person to rob a bank, or rob people at gun point just because they'll be paying sales tax and stimulating the economy with the money they stole???

You can freeze shit, pack into a cone and and eat it as if it were chocolate ice cream, but its still shit

spectr17
04-16-2008, 06:45 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Did anyone notice the news today ? Feds rounded up a couple hundred ILLEGALS in poultry processing plants across the country.[/b]

Just dog and pony show for photo ops. If they was serious they would swoop in Home Depots to start.

No worries, last estimate has a couple million more criminal illegals piling into this once great country this year, even with the economy reeling. The English language and those that speak it are doomed here in the US.

foulshot
04-16-2008, 07:56 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jeff S. @ Apr 14 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=988755)</div>
Well, let&#39;s see, Jose and Maria work for minimum wage - in California, that&#39;s $16,000 per year each = $32,000. They pay a bit of SSI - 7%, that&#39;s 2200, but no state or federal income tax - sheesh, they lied about their SSN, why put the right number of deductions down. They buy their clothes and household goods at swap meets and food is non - taxible, so there&#39;s no sales tax. OK, ok, Juan&#39;s sixpack he drinks every day after work. At $5 that&#39;s 40 cents a day times 365 days = $146 per year. OK, maybe a little hidden in the rent they pay in the two bedroom apartment hey share with two other families, say $500 a year (and that&#39;s generous. So they pay a grand total of 2200 + 146 + 500 = $2846.

They have 4 kids, Juan, Diego, Isabel, and Ana. They each go to public school @ $11,000 each, that&#39;s $44000. They use the emergency room for health insurance because after all, it&#39;s FREE! and go say four times a year at about $1000 per visit. That&#39;s another 4 grand. They ride the bus to work, and every time someone gets on a bus and gives them a dollar, you and I pony up $2. 4 rides per day, 250 work days a year, that&#39;s 1000 rides = $2000. That&#39;s 44,000 + 4,000 + 2000 = $50,000.

So they use at least $50,000 in tax services and pay less than $3,000.

Now remember these people use sidewalks, police & fire services, garbage pickup, state parks, beaches, vector control services, and all the other government services our tax money graciously provides also.[/b]

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

Rodney Hood
04-17-2008, 12:55 AM
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/images/20070409-12_d-0119-1-515h.jpg


Forget taking photos...hang a couple of Hell-Fires on the wings.

Rodney Hood
04-17-2008, 01:38 AM
Why can&#39;t/won&#39;t we adopt Mexico&#39;s own immigration law? Oh that&#39;s right...do as I say not as I do!

http://mysorebutt.com/immigration-law.php

el_vaquero
04-17-2008, 05:45 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (foulshot @ Apr 16 2008, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=989461)</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jeff S. @ Apr 14 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=988755)
Well, let&#39;s see, Jose and Maria work for minimum wage - in California, that&#39;s $16,000 per year each = $32,000. They pay a bit of SSI - 7%, that&#39;s 2200, but no state or federal income tax - sheesh, they lied about their SSN, why put the right number of deductions down. They buy their clothes and household goods at swap meets and food is non - taxible, so there&#39;s no sales tax. OK, ok, Juan&#39;s sixpack he drinks every day after work. At $5 that&#39;s 40 cents a day times 365 days = $146 per year. OK, maybe a little hidden in the rent they pay in the two bedroom apartment hey share with two other families, say $500 a year (and that&#39;s generous. So they pay a grand total of 2200 + 146 + 500 = $2846.

They have 4 kids, Juan, Diego, Isabel, and Ana. They each go to public school @ $11,000 each, that&#39;s $44000. They use the emergency room for health insurance because after all, it&#39;s FREE! and go say four times a year at about $1000 per visit. That&#39;s another 4 grand. They ride the bus to work, and every time someone gets on a bus and gives them a dollar, you and I pony up $2. 4 rides per day, 250 work days a year, that&#39;s 1000 rides = $2000. That&#39;s 44,000 + 4,000 + 2000 = $50,000.

So they use at least $50,000 in tax services and pay less than $3,000.

Now remember these people use sidewalks, police & fire services, garbage pickup, state parks, beaches, vector control services, and all the other government services our tax money graciously provides also.[/b]

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leftyhunter
04-17-2008, 08:51 PM
Chuck its easy to pay taxes without an SS#. Every day at work illegals ask me where the IRS office is so that they can fill out a W-7 and get a taxpayer identification number. Yes the govt has hired more ICE agents to catch illegals but they have restrictions that make it hard to deport illegals. Yes they do catch some illegals but they can be bailed out for not much money . Has I have said before both the Dems and Repub are very pro illegal immigrant.

Leftyhunter

chuckslayer
04-18-2008, 03:18 AM
Lefty;

That is where the voters have to step in , and vote for those that will actually do something pro-active about this invasion.
If we can&#39;t find them at a national level, we can elect them at a state & local level. At least that&#39;s a start !

D3Lifer
04-18-2008, 03:38 AM
The only taxes that illegals pay are sales taxes. But people like chuam feel that these invaders are the backbone of our society and need to be exempt from contributing income tax.(And yes....I did file today SD, late is better than never.)

HuntingAnywhere
04-18-2008, 04:48 PM
Here comes the controversy:

Jose and Maria are here because we have open borders. It is Jose and Maria&#39;s fault because it is so easy to walk from Mexico/Canada to the United States. Blame the liberal asses who do not do anything to control the border/immigration situation. Blame the right wing conservatist who do not catch these people before they get here. Jose and Maria are enjoying their tax free life while we are getting upset. who is in a better situation? let us use our democratic system to ENFORCE laws to control this infestation instead of whining about it. Laws that will work to stop Jose and Maria before Saddam Obama enters with a bomb.

easymoney
04-18-2008, 04:56 PM
huntinganywhere,
That is indeed the problem and those of us who are doing all we can to get jose and maria thrown out are getting mighty tired of all the help they are getting from our legislators...
The laws which jose and maria have broken are already in place but LEO is being hamstrung by the politicos.
The solution is really simple round em all up and send em home, build the fence on both borders, have a tamper proof form of ID like thumbprint, make employers held resonsible for whom they hire...

Jeff S.
04-19-2008, 08:26 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HuntingAnywhere @ Apr 18 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=990023)</div>
Here comes the controversy:

Jose and Maria are here because we have open borders. It is Jose and Maria&#39;s fault because it is so easy to walk from Mexico/Canada to the United States. Blame the liberal asses who do not do anything to control the border/immigration situation. Blame the right wing conservatist who do not catch these people before they get here. Jose and Maria are enjoying their tax free life while we are getting upset. who is in a better situation? let us use our democratic system to ENFORCE laws to control this infestation instead of whining about it. Laws that will work to stop Jose and Maria before Saddam Obama enters with a bomb.[/b]

"Open Borders?" Now there&#39;s a real mouthful of reality. Where are the "open borders?" There are no signs saying "this way to Los Angeles?" Last time I looked there were miles of fences, thousands of armed border patrolmen, helicopters, night vision goggles, trucks, listening posts, infrared monitoring systems, the list goes on and on. In fact we spend 11 Billion of our tax dollars on this "Open Border." http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/fact_s...l_factsheet.xml (http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/fact_sheets/cbp_overview/bdget_11bil_factsheet.xml) Just because there&#39;s no Berlin Wall, doesn&#39;t mean there&#39;s a big sign inviting all to come. It&#39;s like saying San Quentin has open walls, because some inmate figured how to chip his way through the plumbing with a spoon.

For Jose and Maria to get here, they have carefully plan out their lawbreaking, they have to pay thousands to a coyote, then in the dead of night packed like sardines in a vehicle hundreds of miles from the nearest legal entry point, they make their dash. Many (some say as many as half) get busted, photographed, fingerprinted, and deported back to their home country. More die out in the desert. They KNOW they&#39;re breaking the law. They KNOW, it&#39;s dangerous, they KNOW they could die, get robbed or raped.

It&#39;s not the border efforts that are the big problem, it&#39;s what happens after they make it through the gauntlet. Chief Bratten says that the LAPD aren&#39;t competent enough to determine if a prisoner is an illegal or not, yet they expect every small businessman to be an ICE agent. Sheesh, they demand that if you hire a gardener, or a tree trimmer you call to verify that they are legal to work here but trained police officers with instant access to government databases aren&#39;t qualified?

I agree, start sweeping the Home Depots. Start checking the employers and doling out heavy fines to any who look the other way and don&#39;t use the government system. Being an employer myself who has been fooled by forged documents that even checked out, I say don&#39;t make the employer have to pay for secret clearance style background checks, but at least let&#39;s make the cops type in an SSN or ID number into their database to find out if the lawbreaker they picked up is who he says he is.

HuntingAnywhere
04-19-2008, 10:47 AM
i guess the term "open border" has been taken literally. when i say open border i mean the hundreds of miles of land between mexico/canada and US with no supervision. Obviously and needless to say there is security in most parts of the border but not all. the problem should be stopped at its core, and that is the border. once the border is completely secured (every inch of it) the problem will be solved. then, like easy money stated, gather them up and send them home. If not to their origin, to the other side of the border.

But a fence will not be enough, we need to set military bases around the border and have troop conduct anti-immigration/anti-terrorist tactics. this way when jose and maria decide to cross, we have the boys track them down and use them as target. then, we will NOT have "open borders" and we can once again have our sovereignty.

Jeff S.
04-19-2008, 10:54 AM
If they can&#39;t find work or partake of social services, they&#39;ll go home all by themselves. We don&#39;t need the Berlin Wall. If you&#39;re an American in Mexico, you have to pay to send your kids to school and you have to pay the hospital before they set your broken bone or give you an MRI.

Common Sense
04-19-2008, 10:16 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jeff S. @ Apr 19 2008, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=990192)</div>
If they can&#39;t find work or partake of social services, they&#39;ll go home all by themselves. We don&#39;t need the Berlin Wall.[/b]


A very simple thought, but VERY TRUE.

D3Lifer
04-20-2008, 03:09 AM
Close down the maternity wards in SoCal to anchor mamas, that alone would bring down the cost of health service in California by untold MILLIONS. The system is a willing accomplice to the invasion.

Just a sidebar... I suffered a nasty cut on broken glass in Mexico a couple of years ago. The hospital in Mazatlan sewed me up(and did a fine job) for $18.00 cash. Why are we paying $2000.00 for similar treatment here?

chuckslayer
04-20-2008, 05:13 AM
Because the same hospital is birthing that "anchor baby" that you spoke of earlier..and doing it for free..

Not to say how many other procedures we are paying for..so the illegals and illegal employers can get off "on the cheap" !

Obviously, that "cheap" labor isn&#39;t cheap for anyone ..except the CHEAP, illegal employer !

ETC2NA
04-20-2008, 05:18 AM
I don&#39;t care if they are paying their fair share (an they&#39;re not even close btw) or not. ILLEGAL is pretty clear to me. Get the hell out, go back to your own country and apply for legal entry. Very simple. It&#39;s a felony for you to be here, bye. I don&#39;t understand the debate.

foulshot
04-20-2008, 09:19 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ETC2NA @ Apr 20 2008, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=990354)</div>
I don&#39;t care if they are paying their fair share (an they&#39;re not even close btw) or not. ILLEGAL is pretty clear to me. Get the hell out, go back to your own country and apply for legal entry. Very simple. It&#39;s a felony for you to be here, bye. I don&#39;t understand the debate.[/b]
Exactly! It&#39;s not a debate, its someones way of trying to justify illegal behavior!

swampy tim
04-20-2008, 07:18 PM
Among the many solutions listed above, one than can&#39;t be overlooked is voting in every primary for the challenger. If there is an unchallenged seat in one party than vote aginst them in the general election. Once we break the power of incombancy and put fear back into the politicians they will begin to once again work on behalf of the majority. S/T

Common Sense
04-20-2008, 07:33 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (swampy tim @ Apr 20 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=990508)</div>
Among the many solutions listed above, one than can&#39;t be overlooked is voting in every primary for the challenger. If there is an unchallenged seat in one party than vote aginst them in the general election. Once we break the power of incombancy and put fear back into the politicians they will begin to once again work on behalf of the majority. S/T[/b]


Because we still have the illegal allien problem should folks in Colorado vote against Tom Tancredo if he runs for re-election?

foulshot
04-20-2008, 10:09 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Common Sense @ Apr 20 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=990509)</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (swampy tim @ Apr 20 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=990508)
Among the many solutions listed above, one than can&#39;t be overlooked is voting in every primary for the challenger. If there is an unchallenged seat in one party than vote aginst them in the general election. Once we break the power of incombancy and put fear back into the politicians they will begin to once again work on behalf of the majority. S/T[/b]


Because we still have the illegal allien problem should folks in Colorado vote against Tom Tancredo if he runs for re-election?

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I will be voting for Tom.....

swampy tim
04-21-2008, 06:09 PM
CS Yes you should vote for Tom and any other pol willing to take his line on illlegal. Tom is the exception that proves the (read my) rule.

ETC2NA
04-21-2008, 08:24 PM
You have to put more thought into it than just voting against the incumbent. Then no one will do anything and the idiots will just get in line for their turn for the great retirement plan. Just voting anti-incumbent won&#39;t fix it.

swampy tim
04-22-2008, 08:00 PM
ETC2NA, I don&#39;t mean to over simplify things , BUT, what other option do you have in a representative republic? Voting, protesting and influencing others are the only power options you have in a lawful society. If you are suggesting that we are no longer a nation of laws and must revolt against the money power, I&#39;m listening. But the solution can&#39;t be chaos. The solution must have an orderly lawful transfer of power, because there are no Thomas Jefferson&#39;s&#39; or Ben Franklin&#39;s&#39; or Thomas Paine&#39;s&#39; current in our current society.

Common Sense
04-22-2008, 10:12 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (swampy tim @ Apr 22 2008, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=991246)</div>
there are no Thomas Jefferson&#39;s&#39; or Ben Franklin&#39;s&#39; or Thomas Paine&#39;s&#39; current in our current society.[/b]



Oh yes there are; but we as a nation are not listening to them, yet.

masonjarlid
04-23-2008, 04:55 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Common Sense @ Apr 23 2008, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=991289)</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (swampy tim @ Apr 22 2008, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=991246)
there are no Thomas Jefferson&#39;s&#39; or Ben Franklin&#39;s&#39; or Thomas Paine&#39;s&#39; current in our current society.[/b]



Oh yes there are; but we as a nation are not listening to them, yet.
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Some listen and more would if the media would give those people coverage. It will take a outside media, nation wide movement to get these people heard by the masses. It will have to start and mainly take place on the local level at first, but I think that once is starts it will catch and burn out of control. It&#39;s time, things need to change, there are people that can make the needed changes, but getting them heard and known is the problem. It is almost like they are being suppressed..........

MULEY51
04-23-2008, 07:25 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (masonjarlid @ Apr 23 2008, 04:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=991349)</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Common Sense @ Apr 23 2008, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=991289)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (swampy tim @ Apr 22 2008, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=991246)
there are no Thomas Jefferson&#39;s&#39; or Ben Franklin&#39;s&#39; or Thomas Paine&#39;s&#39; current in our current society.[/b]



Oh yes there are; but we as a nation are not listening to them, yet.
[/b][/quote]


Some listen and more would if the media would give those people coverage. It will take a outside media, nation wide movement to get these people heard by the masses. It will have to start and mainly take place on the local level at first, but I think that once is starts it will catch and burn out of control. It&#39;s time, things need to change, there are people that can make the needed changes, but getting them heard and known is the problem. It is almost like they are being suppressed..........
[/b][/quote]



It&#39;s not almost like they&#39;re being suppressed, it&#39;s that they ARE completely suppressed. By the one-sided liberal media.

easymoney
04-23-2008, 07:26 AM
IMHO, the sheeple are not listening nor even concerned... The gooberment is obviously not doing it&#39;s job nor listening... And our elected politicians are most certainly not listening nor doing their sworn duties...
I think we are going to sink much further until the citizens, LEGAL citizens get fed up and say enough...
Just voting in another talking head who will really do nothing to make any change but will step up to the trough of public funds and lap it up till they puke, just like their predecessors is not how we make change happen...
Ron Paul ran for "public office", brought up all these known negatives, laid out a concise plan for recovery based on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, yet could not get enough support of the voting public. He was viewed as a perahia and laughed at by the voters and the media.
Just like an alcoholic, the voters have to reach the very bottom before they can rise up out of their stupor...

ironworker
04-23-2008, 09:08 AM
This stupid post deserves a big F-U, but I’ll answer it w/ more than you bargained for!

In California, alone , if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 BILLION to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another, as English became the dominant language again. In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids - would move back ’home’, mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 BILLION (other experts say $7 BILLION) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.

Colorado would save more than $20 MILLION in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer, Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals. Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop-out/flunk-out rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado.

Denver’s four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law, and English.

In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.

If 20 million illegal aliens returned ’home’, the U.S. Economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn’t be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 BILLION in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.

No more push ’1’ for Spanish or ’2’ for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of BILLIONS in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 BILLION annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 BILLION in drugs annually would vacate our country.

In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the ’18th Street Gang’ would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters (there are plenty here already, without adding to this travesty)!

Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!

America’s economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get rich. Over $80 BILLION annually wouldn’t return to the aliens’ home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America’s economy - which currently suffers an $8.7 TRILLION debt.

At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 BILLION per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.

Americans wouldn’t suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country-brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.

Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the ’progressives’ on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases.

Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, "colonias" or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation.

The New York Times reported them to be America’s new "Third World" inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I’ve seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it’s sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico. We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million people into our country legally, more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.

It’s time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.

Interesting Statistics. Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should vacate America, and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

1. $11 BILLION to $22 BILLION dollars are spent each year on welfare to illegal aliens. http://...com/zob77

2. $2.2 BILLION dollars are spent each year on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 BILLION dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 BILLION dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

5. $17 BILLION dollars are spent each year for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 MILLION Dollars PER DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 BILLION dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 BILLION dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10 The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11 During the year 2005, there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,heroine, and marijuana crossed into the U..S. from the southern border. http://...com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 BILLION, or an average cost of between $41 and $46 BILLION annually over a five year period. http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pub...p?b=deportation

13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States!" http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!!

I suggest every person concerned with illigal immigration go to the civial minuteman defense webpage : http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/
Their are lots of things we all can do to help end this problem. Money is a big factor but you can buy clothes (hats T-shirts ect), give a weekend of your time or just help spread the word.

I donate every year and my wife and I spent our 5 days of our honeymoon in 2005 watching the border.


Rich

easymoney
04-23-2008, 09:39 AM
Bingo, rich and maybe some of our legislature will wake up and smell the smoke coming from under their own feet...
But then again it&#39;s easier to ignore those facts and statistics, than actually do what is needed to stop this hemorrhaging...