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01-04-2002, 01:26 PM
I was in wallyworld aka wal-mart the other day the person @ the sports counter advised me, there is a new law here in Ca. Stating you must have prove you own a gun safe before you can buy a new firearm. Anyone know of this law ??
01-04-2002, 02:12 PM
Check out the Dept of Justice website:
Ca. laws change every day. ###We (D.A.'s offices) just got our new copy of firearms laws from the Attorney General's office. ###There are 2 booklets both over 100 pages each, one on regular firearms and one on dangerous (so called assault weapons) weapons. We got a democrat Gov. and A.G., so it's only going to get worse. ###
01-04-2002, 03:13 PM
I sure haven't heard of it. ###I understand you're required to buy a lock for it, but not a safe.
01-04-2002, 05:49 PM
Everybody should check out the DOJ site posted above. ###No you do not have to buy a safe, having a safe is one of the ways to meet the requirements of the new law. ###The other way is to buy A DOJ ###APPROVED LOCK, and the DOJ has the approved locks listed for specific firearms on their website. ###So if your new firearm comes with a case and/or lock, if it is not approved, you still have to buy an additional approved lock -- hopefully your gun dealer will have whatever lock you need if you don't already have a safe or approved lock.
01-04-2002, 09:43 PM
That site is worth checking out. ###I just scaned it, and saw some things that knowing now, might save some grife later. ###Just one might be the BB gun section. ###
01-04-2002, 10:44 PM
I like the part about blowguns. Many years ago I picked up a blowgun from the Phillipines. When a friend here told me it was illegal to possess a blowgun in California I looked it up and yup, I was breaking the law. You can own a .44 magnum here but no blowguns. Makes sense to me.
01-05-2002, 06:53 PM
But is it required to keep your firearms under lock & Key??
Curious minds want to know- so does the Wife
01-06-2002, 10:41 AM
Well, did a private party transfer at Turners yesterday. ###New law is that you have to have a "DOJ Approved" lock that was purchased within 30 (receipt required) days of firearm transfer or purchase. So, after the locks 30 days old you would have to purchase another lock to buy your next gun (from dealer or private party).
Of course the locks that come with most firearms are not "DOJ approved", so you can buy one from Turners for either $9.99, or $12.99. ###The $9.99 one only fits revolvers, so most likely you'll be stuck buying the $12.99 one.
If you have a safe at home, you'll have to sign a affidavit listing the make and model of it. ###Of course the safe has to be "DOJ approved". ###The locker type keyed safes like the "Homak" ones are not approved.
And, of course DROS fees have gone up again. Turners is charging $24.00 for purchases, and $30.00 for private party transfers.
As to having to keep firearms locked once your home, the only law so far is the one about having to have firearms secured if there are minor children in the home.
I guess since the democrats can't find a way (yet) to take away our constitunional right to bear arms, they will continue to make it more difficult to buy or own one. ###
01-06-2002, 03:08 PM
I called a local shop to see what they would charge for a private party transfer on a 1911 style and was told that they will not deal with that kind of firearm but will only tarnser cowboy style firearms (they're a cowboy shooting shop).
Has anyone else heard of this type of discrimination? ###I'm all for rallying 'round the flag and not getting our side in trouble with the government but man, that attitude really pissed me off.
Just bought a new .22 rifle and a savage .270. Filled out Fed. back ground check form. ###Finished shopping and went back to pick up rifles . was told that I was "put on hold" . Clerk said it could take 3-6 business days. I called back 3 daysa later and ,still on hold. Eight days later still on hold went to W-mart and found someone who knew what he was doing. He told me that after 3 days and still on hold they can sell the rifles to me if check hasn't come back. Got my rifles and still on hold . Think they do this just to piss people off! Next they will want a DNA sample and you will have to wait 30 days!! The good part is that I don't live in California or Canada!! .But I'm close!! Live in NY
01-14-2002, 11:06 AM
Get used to being on hold. ###The time the state has to complete your background check has been extended to 180 days. ###That means you could get your guns, go sight them in, then six months later get a knock on your door and be told you have to turn them back in (if for some reason your background check is invalid). ###No refund, no credit...
A bright side to the current administration in DC is that they are trying to reduce this maximum. ###
01-14-2002, 05:46 PM
Hook sold a rifle to a friend of mine a month or so ago and when we called around on the DROS/private transfer stuff we found some interesting info.
Evidently, if they have an FFL they are required to do the transfer and they can't charge more than (Hook correct me if I remembered this wrong) $12 on top of the normal dros fee. ###Any more is a violation of their FFL.
Now, I wouldn't go being a pain in the butt to a local gun shop asking them to do something that they don't want to do but for someone like Turner's or Big5 I'd certainly show them the regs and make them do it.
Songdog is right, they have a limit as to what the dealer can charge, but it is $10 per firearm, the dealer charges $14 for DROS, $1 for Firearms Safety testing fee and $10 for the transfer. Here is what it says on the State DOJ web site
"If the transaction is a PPT, you are restricted to charging no more than $20.00 in State fees described and $10.00 per firearm for conducting the PPT. ###For example:
###a. For a PPT involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees are $30.00 for the first handgun, and $26 for each subsequent handgun.
b. For PPTs involving one or more long guns, the State fees are limited to $20.00 for the whole transaction plus $10.00 dealer fee per firearm transferred." (PC section 12082)
Here is the link to the DOJ Web Site Firearms Divisions. (http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/index.html)
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