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spectr17
08-20-2002, 09:28 PM
Man convicted in self defense shooting

8/20/2002

Shooting charges against TRW employee dropped

By Denise Nix, DAILY BREEZE

A TRW engineer who shot a man in the face during a confrontation in the aerospace company's Redondo Beach parking lot was freed from jail Wednesday after prosecutors dropped felony charges and he pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor.

The District Attorney's Office decided that Angel Colon, 39, had acted in self-defense when he shot Jose Solis, 46, who believed his wife was having a relationship with Colon and had left threatening voice mail messages on Colon's phone at TRW in the weeks before the shooting.

When Colon walked into court Wednesday to enter his plea to illegally possessing a firearm, about 30 supporters from TRW and Cal Poly Pomona, his alma matter, stood up to greet him. At the end of the hearing, they applauded him.

Some of the friends have known Colon for decades, Tina Shelton told a reporter outside of court, dubbing his supporters "Angle Fans"


"We could not believe that Angel would harm a single person," said Shelton of Cal Poly Pomona, where Colon received his master's degree in engineering and is a benefactor to the school's engineering program.

Deputy District Attorney Brad McCartt told Torrance Superior Court Judge James M. Ideman that, after a review of TRW security tape that caught the incident on camera, as well as learning the history between Colon and Solis, his office determined Solis had made threats on Colon's life and body.

"Mr. Colon had a valid reason for self-defense," McCartt said.

"I trust your office to do a proper investigation," Ideman said before sentencing Colon to 104 days in jail, with credit for the 104 days he has served since his arrest after the June 6 shooting.

Ideman also declined to order that Colon pay restitution to Solis, finding "compelling and extraordinary reasons" for doing so because the shooting was justified.

McCartt said in court that a civil claim by Solis against Colon was ongoing, but no record of a suit could be found.

Colon's attorney, Gregg S. Laughlin, said his client had filed reports with the Redondo Beach Police Department about the threats Solis was making.

In addition, TRW security recorded voice mail messages Solis left for Colon, including one that was full of profanity.

"You don't (expletive) with my (expletive) woman. OK? I know a lot of people in low places. You understand me? OK?" said the voice on the message that identifies himself as Solis. "Watch your back because it's coming."

Colon has denied having any relationship with Solis' wife, who also worked at TRW.

The confrontation began about 10:30 a.m. in the parking lot at Marine Avenue when Solis threatened Colon as he got out of his vehicle. Solis pushed and shoved Colon and screamed threats at him, Laughlin said.

Colon was planning on going to the firing range that evening, so he had a loaded pistol in his car, which he retrieved, Laughlin said.

Solis eventually charged at Colon, who fired at Solis. The bullet entered Solis's upper jaw, traveled down his throat and lodged in his shoulder. Solis is recovering.

Colon called 911 and waited for emergency personnel to arrive. He was arrested and charged with attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon.

"Today is also a great day for the California criminal justice system, because we've seen it work to provide justice to the innocent as well as punishment for those who are found guilty," Laughlin said.

Patrick Dinwiddie, who works with Colon at TRW, said Colon gives a lot to the community by tutoring children and speaking to recruits.

"We need more people in this world like Angel," Dinwiddie added.

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He is found to be justified, to have used deadly force in self defense, but he has been jailed for over three months, and has to plead guilty to a weapons charge in order to go free? Only in California.

Word is the gun was a 9mm.

EVAN III
08-21-2002, 05:28 AM
### Geez I must have missed the story on the news today. Either that or rather then running the GOOD story, they found some bad story to run in it's place.

### ### ### ### ### ### ### ### ### ### ###EVAN III

Kernhuntr
08-21-2002, 07:15 AM
Just another lesson for those that carry a gun for self defense.

Tactical, criminal, and civil. These are the three things that you face everytime you fire a gun in a hostile situation.

He faced the first two and won. Don't think for a minute that this is over. Trust me, some lawer has already been in touch with the victim of the shooting. There will be a civil lawsuit filed. Even though he in all probability will win the civil suit, he will be out tons of money and time.

It's just the way it works.

Kernhuntr

EL CAZADOR
08-21-2002, 12:24 PM
I guess you'd have to make plans to go to the shooting range every night?!?!

Maverick
08-21-2002, 10:31 PM
It would have been cheaper if he killed the guy. Another reason not to carry a 9mm.

### ### It appears that he used more force then he was confronted with. This was only a pushing match the other guy didn't have a weapon or friends there beating the guy right? Then anytime that someone of the freeway pisses you off and flips you the bird you should shot them? Pulling a pistol when ever your in confrontation? Is this the old west? If some pulled a gun on you would you fell the someway? 10 -1 the other guy never saw the pistol or was given time to rethink the situation once the pistol was pulled. If he had then it would have gotten to the point of him being shot in the face.
### ### This is why we have a court system and laws. This guy very well may have been in fear of his life! But grow a set, come on. At last take a punch before you shot it helps you case for deadly force. If he had been in his own house then yes shot empty the magazine in the guy.
### ### Now let change the story Angel Colon was walking to his car when he was approached by Jose Solis, Solis was brandishing a pistol, {or knife or bat}, and began assaulting Angel. Angel pulls his 9mm from the front seat of his car shots the prep in the face. Self-defense case close Angel goes home to Solis wife.

Lesson to learn from this story
1} Choose a bigger gun.
2} Don’t mess with another mans squirrel.
3} Keep the gun in the trunk so that you can avoid the weapons violation.
4} Its ok to shot a guy when he pushes you.


There may have been a lot more to the story then the paper tell us but I can only go on what I read here .The whole thing smells fishy.

(Edited by coveybustinchris at 10:34 pm on Aug. 21, 2002)


(Edited by coveybustinchris at 10:32 am on Aug. 22, 2002)

huntducks
08-22-2002, 01:50 AM
CBchris

Excuse me the court did it's job, I don't think so and neither did the DA they should have given the guy a medal for defending his life or should he have let this guy beat him to death or called time out while he called 911 for help.

Taken a punch:confused-yellow:I don't think so, one punch this guy goes out like a light
then he stomps him to death.

This guy should get a attorney and sue the state & county for not being able to defend his self by not being able to get a CCW and now with this on his record and the way KA. is he will NEVER BE ABLE TO BUY AND MOST LIKELY OWN A GUN AGAIN IN KA.

There is a old saying I would rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6.

Kernhuntr
08-22-2002, 07:02 AM
huntducks,

While I agree with most of you're assessment.....it was only a misdemenor he was convicted of. This will not preclude him from firearms in Calif. (yet). Even getting caught carrying a conceled weapon is only a misdoemenor in Calif. You will lose the gun, but it's not a felony.

You are right about the "punch". We don't know about things like size differeces, skills, abilities, etc. He had a fear for his life and that justifies the force he used, period.

I only wish that the article had more detail, and was wider spread in other papers. Self-defense shootings are few and far between in the papers.

The Tina Shelton mentioned in the article is my wifes aunt. I'm going to try and round up more info, and will post what I find out.

Kernhuntr

Maverick
08-22-2002, 10:26 AM
Like I said. There may have been a lot more to the story then the paper tells us but I can only go on what I read here. And the way I read it he jumped the gun {pun intended}.
He is lucky the DA must not of have a case or the paper is not telling all the details and he may very well have used the force that was needed to control the situation.
So to say the court did it’s job? No. The DA did his and the Defendant’s lawyer must have really done his.
###There is an old saying better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6..
I agree totally. I do not disagree with the 2nd amendment or having a CCW. The more law-abiding people that have guns the better. All I’m saying is if you pull that gun and shot someone you better be scared as hell and you better use force that you were faced with.

Kickaha
08-22-2002, 10:46 PM
I re-read the story because I thought I missed something. ###This can't really be compared to a situation where some stranger you've had no dealings with. ###For weeks prior to the incident, the guy was issuing verbal threats:

"You don't (expletive) with my (expletive) woman. OK? I know a lot of people in low places. You understand me? OK?" said the voice on the message that identifies himself as Solis. "Watch your back because it's coming."

They have tape recordings of this. ###If someone left those messages on your answering machine, how would you interpret them? ###I think it's very reasonable to interpret them as threats against his life. ###

And then, "Solis pushed and shoved Colon and screamed threats at him, Laughlin said."

Even before the first shove, the guy had already made threats against Colon. ###No doubt Colon was in fear for his life. ###I think any reasonable person would have been. ###Did Solis have a gun? ###Should Colon have waited until Solis pulled out a gun before running to get his? ###And when Colon did pull his gun, what did Solis do? ###He charged at Colon. ###

In my opinion, the guy had every right to do what he did. ###And I agree with the statements about suing the PRK for their actions in this.

huntducks
08-24-2002, 03:30 PM
Kernhunter

I don't know what the exact disquilfiers are for buying a firearm in KA. but I know domistic violance is one of them and it's a misdemeanor, they seem to make them up as they go along and illegally possessing a firearm sounds like a winner for the next go round if it is not already there.

In 40 other states they would have pinned a medal on this guy, lets face it here in KA. they DO NOT WANT YOU TO DEFEND YOUR LIFE WITH A GUN someone else might think it is RIGHT.

Does anyone know what happened to the other guy is he being prosecuted for felony assualt making terrorist threats, or is it he got shot will let him go he suffered enought, something is wrong with the picture here in KALIFORNIA.:help::drowning:

(Edited by huntducks at 3:41 pm on Aug. 24, 2002)

hucklburry
09-07-2002, 07:02 AM
The way I read it, Solis threatened Angel's life on the voice mail with the "friends in low places" remark. When confronted by Solis, I think Angel was right to fear for his life.

If someone leaves you a message saying, "I'm gonna kill you", I think the next time you see them will be a little tense, especially in the parking lot at work.

--Jim

Speckmisser
09-12-2002, 01:03 PM
Gotta disagree with the Coveybuster on this one.

First of all, it's not a boxing match out there. You wait to fight fair, you're liable to get your butt dusted. Those days are long gone, unfortunately, when you could even a score with fists.

Years ago, I was standing on my front porch goofing off (I don't think I was even a teenager yet). The neighbors next door were inside, when this Kenworth roars up and slides into the front yard. A guy jumps out and goes storming to the folks' front door. He kicks the door, but can't knock it down. Then he picks up something and smashes the front window.

At that point, my neighbor came out. The vibes were intense, and even as a kid I knew some bad stuff was about to happen.

There were a couple of ugly words as they approached each other, and from nowhere the trucker had a Buck knife punching holes in the neighbor's chest. Just that fast. There never was a punch thrown... not even a shove. I know, because I watched it all from less than 50 feet.

Turned out the trucker was the ex-husband of the lady who lived there. He heard that a man had moved in with his ex and he got jealous. He called and made threats. Then he showed up in the front yard. He didn't want to fight. He wanted to kill somebody (that somebody, as the whole neighborhood learned later, was actually his ex-wife's brother moved in to help pay the bills... not a new lover).

So you go ahead and wait for the first punch to be thrown if you want to. If a man has deadly intent, he's not there to hit you in the face. And in the case of Colon and Solis, Solis had clearly expressed deadly intent.

Does this mean I think you should draw and shoot every time you're in a confrontation? Of course not. But I believe you are 100% justified if you honestly believe the impending fight may be for your life. That's not even remotely close to getting flipped off on the freeway.

If you wait until you see someone brandishing a gun or a knife (or a baseball bat, for that matter), you may well be already dead.

Judged by 12 rather than carried by 6, no doubt! And in this case, the 12 saw the whole story, or at least enough to know that Colon did the proper thing. There were voice mail recordings, and even video footage of the confrontation. There was enough evidence for a California jury and judge to dismiss the felony charges. That, in itself, tells me that Angel's actions were defensible beyond much shadow of a doubt. I agree the DA and Defender did their jobs well, but the court came through too, with flying colors.

If anyone fell down on the job here, it was law enforcement for not arresting Solis on the basis of the initial reports (which were supported by recorded phone messages). If someone makes a credible threat on someone's life, they have broken the law and they should be charged, locked up, and tried/convicted. It's not enough to take a report, especially since in many cases, that report is only used to build a case AFTER someone has been killed.