Ford v. Chevy

[Qbn Hunter]

Alright ladys and gentlemen which do you prefer, Chevy or Ford, and why? I am not a brand loyalist. I am kind of interested why people are loyal to one brand. Please be nice to one another :love:

(Edited by Qbn Hunter at 1:09 am on July 1, 2002)

[gwhunter69]

I am a Chevy loyalists and have been for years, but support anyone's right to own a Ford (Found On Road Dead) because they are an American company as well...but I don't want to see any of those full-sized Toyotas out there hunting...LOL! jk:roll-wink-green:

As to why, first of all I like the overall look of the Chevy better than Ford or Dodge. ###Plus, almost everyone I knew that owned a Ford does nothing but complain about it, especially the ###Ranger and Bronco. ###I have owned Chevys for years and I have no real complaint, except the general trend in automaking to going to all plastic parts. ### That's about it...

(Edited by gwhunter69 at 12:04 pm on July 1, 2002)

[SDHNTR]

I love Fords for the exact same reason why gwhunter69 loves Chevrolets. ###And that will probably summarize this whole arguement.

[woodsman]

I do like ford's and own one never had a problem with one ,and I also own a GMC that has been a good truck( T10 blazer ) my first love is with ford ###many memories in the back seats LOL. I have a friend with a new Toyota, that drives very nice, It's his second Toyota truck the first one had 300,000 miles on it and it still ran like new the problem was the bed was rotten /falling off the truck was 16years old.

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[Qbn Hunter]

My '89 Jeep Cherokee has 270000 miles. My next truck would most likely be a Grand Cherokee. I have heard that the new versions of the grand Cherokees have had some problems. Does anyone own one? How has your experience been?

[foulshot]

I wouldn't say I'm loyal to one or the other. ###Right now I have two Fords sitting in my driveway soooooo. ###I have an 89 Bronco and an 01 f250CC. ###I bought the 250 not only because it was about 8 grand cheaper but, I liked the interior better. ###I also like the solid front axle.

Qbn, FullSacks wife has a new JGC, 2wheel drive. ###He might have some input.

[jmabbott888]

FORD..... found on road dead, fixed or repaired daily, friggin okies really dig em ( no disrespect intended to anyone), ###f...ed over rebuilt dodge, driver returns on foot (if ford spelled backwards), fudge our ride died, & flip over read directions. Thats about all I can think of at 3 am but that should about cover my feelings on Ford

[gwhunter69]

jmabbott888: OK, now that we know how you feel about Fords...What do you drive? :smile-big-blue:

[JDC]

<font face=arial size=1><blockquote><hr noshade size=1>Quote: from gwhunter69 on 8:21 am on July 22, 2002
jmabbott888: OK, now that we know how you feel about Fords...What do you drive? :smile-big-blue:<hr noshade size=1></blockquote></font>


Dare I guess ...........

A Toyota?

[gwhunter69]

JDC: LOL!:rofl

[MNTNMAN]

Ford does have one thing that you can't get on a chevy or dodge. A heated tail gate. So when you are pushing it in the winter your hands don't get cold.

[JDC]

<font face=arial size=1><blockquote><hr noshade size=1>Quote: from MNTNMAN on 12:13 pm on July 22, 2002
Ford does have one thing that you can't get on a chevy or dodge. A heated tail gate. So when you are pushing it in the winter your hands don't get cold.<hr noshade size=1></blockquote></font>

I thought that feature was so you butt stayed warm while watching the Dodge try and pull the Chevy out of the mud, and then watching them both get stuck!:roll-wink-green:

[woodsman]

jealousy wont get you any were jmabbott888 !:smile-big-blue:
This is one topic that should be band from the site ,I'v always had good luck with fords ,I do own a Chevy and never had a problem with it EXCEPT ALL THE DAM RECALLS other than that its a good truck (s10 blazer) :smile-big-blue:

[Qbn Hunter]

I like the old Expedition's body style compared to the new one. If I were to buy an SUV today it would be a Yukon. Now whats the big difference between the Yukon and the Tahoe. And if there isn't a difference then why do they make the same truck with different name plates?

[MNTNMAN]

Ever hear of a mercury mountaineer, ford explorer, same thing. There are ###many examples of the same rig with a different name, like all of those mini vans made by DC.

[shadow]

I have two fords in my driveway. ###One is a 2000 4x4 expedition with over 78,000 trouble free miles and the other is a 01 f150 4x4 supercrew with over 65,000 trouble free miles. ###I traded a 98 4x4 blazer that had 56,000 miles with lots of rattles and many trips to the shop for the expedition. ###

I like the interiors of the ford trucks over the Chevy and Dodge interiors for comfort as well as not gaining the rattles when driven hard off road like the chevy and dodges do.
Not to mention the BIG price difference for comparable trucks, Ford was the best value for the buck.

My 2 cents

[lintongb]

I am a chevy man. ###My brother-in-law buys fords. ###We don't have discussions about who has the better truck but from my experience the chevys are a better truck. ###I haven't had any trouble with my 94 chevy z71 (127K miles). ###My brother-in-law's 94 Ford F150 (maybe 100k miles) has had tranny problems up the ying yang. ###Just my observation.

[jmabbott888]

Well now that I opened a can o worms I drive a 74 Chevy half ton 2wd pickup, my wife drives a 93 Audi Q90, & for work I drive a 2000 Mercedes ML320. I have owned Ford products though, a 63 Merc Monterey S55 with a 390 in it fun car but drank fuel lol. And the 94 Mercury Traced wagon that got traded in for the Audi when the engine got a nice little Knocking noise in the bottom end.

[grizz]

Had em both, liked both. ###Just happend to be the best deal at the right time. ###I'll take eighter again! ###

[Tominator]

My first truck was a '50 chevy. What a tank, loved every minute of that beast! I then got an '88 chevy silverado 2wd and put 455K on it before retiring it and followed that with theturkey hearse, another '88 silverado, but 4wd, which currently sits at 212K. I've had no complaints with any of the chevy's I've driven. I have 2 beefs with fords, first, the power steering is too powerful and takes all the feel out of the drivers hands, second, almost every ford (gas engines) I know of has stopped at some point in time and after no one has been able to diagnose the problem it simply starts runing again. Oh yeah, and ford was responsible for the merkur, 'nuff said.
Tominator

[huntducks]

TOYOTA Tundra & 2 Tacoma in my driveway:smile-big-blue:

[DanV]

Owned a couple of new Chevys ( full sized 1/2 tons) in the last ten years, bought the second one hopeing and praying the first one was just a lemon. Same problems with the second one, crappy paint ( 2-3 partial repaint jobs each) plastic everything (junk) even the grill. Looks real sharp with the plastic chrome peeling off at only 3 years old. All cosmetic things, yes, but hey you gotta look good too! Mechanically could not ask for more and off the road rides like a Cadillac, don't need a kidney belt and a helmet as I should have had in the Ford trucks I ridden in ( guess they ride better with 3/4 ton in the bed).

You guys that won't drive Jap trucks look again, Toyotas are made in the good ol USA and guess where both of my last Chevys were made: CANADA! Hopeing Toyota will come up with a new body style for the Tacoma SOON!, thats going to be my next truck with a V-6 of course, test drove them, the 4 cylinder barely has enough power to get to freeway speeds, but that is pretty moch the same story with the smaller sized Chevys and Fords also.

[Shep]

Im a Ford man,although i did suffer some Chevyitis in 2001 and bought the new H.D.2500 crew cab,4x4 with the 6.0...mistake.Low frame clearance,smaller back seat area,not to mention the dreaded piston slap,which is now about to gain class action suit status.A large number of the 8.1 and 6.0 chevy motors were assembled with faulty piston/bore tolerances.This can be documented on several Chevy boards.I filed a claim# with G.M. as per their advice,to this day Chevy has never contacted me..that has been over a year ago.The new rig is a Ford F-250 Super Duty crew cab with the V-10,4.30 limited slip,a/t.The back seat room is hands down bigger over
chevy.The frame is up higher where it should be for off road use,the stock Ford stereo is wayyyyyy better than the H.D.You cant even get a sliding rear window as an option on the Chevy,and its standard on the Ford,as is the locking tailgate.Not to mention i put 3" of lift on it for $275.00 i dont think that can be done with the Chevy,not to mention the straight axle on the Ford,which in my opinion is dang near indesructible,and now rides near as smooth as I.F.S.with a WHOLE lot less moving parts than the Chevy I.F.S.The Chevy H.D. was a nice truck,no doubt about it,and the 6.0 was a strong motor,(although with the piston slap it sounded like a Duramax" but i think if you want a real "truck" than Fords got you covered.Of course all this is just my opinion. ###(:

[hunter mike]

I have a friend who tells me American vehicles are not made to the same tolerences the Japanese ones are. ###He owns two Dodge pick ups and will not be buying American again. ###His theroy is that because the tolerences are greater, in the engine especially, that after 80,000 miles they start leaking. ###He states when the oil goes out dirt, etc goes in and thus the vehicles life span goes to sh*t. ###

His theory on why Toyota's last 2-300,000 miles is that they don't leak oil. ###To me it sounds good. ###I had always owned American products until my last two vehicles. ###I have had a chevy, jeep, amc (don't laugh) and all leaked oil. ###It could be that they were older than my more recent vehicles and the problems ahve been resolved. ###I have a 1994 Mazda P/U w/ 125K (doesn't leak oil and uses a Ford engine) and it has never had any problems. ###I have been planning on buying an F150 in the next year or so but am starting to consider a Tundra. ###

Realistically, I think these days you are in good shape with most of the products out there. ###They have come a long way since 100K was considered high mileage and needed rebuilt. ###

Any thoughts on the tolerance (valves, pistons, etc) idea?

[bubba]

Not necessarily a chevy guy or ford guy. ###Just happened to go with the best deal. ###I got a 2002 Chevy 2500 HD Crew Cab with Duramax. ###This truck has plenty room in the back. ###I've put some very large people back there and they were comfortable. ###No Piston problems so far. ###Duramax comes with a standard 5 year 300,000 mile warranty. ###Haven't seen a better warranty out there.

Leaned away from ford when I found out about their dealing with extremist environmentalist groups. ###Even a prominant Rodeo Magazine wrote an editorial denouncing Ford leadership for turning their back on ranchers and rural folk.

[Shep]

Bubba,the Duramax appears to be a fine motor,the only concern i would have is the aluminum heads in diesel application.The chevy has a roomy back seat,but the Ford is cavernous.The piston slap ordeal is a problem in the 6.0 and 8.1 H.D. gassers only,that i know of.Enjoy your truck!Shep.

[bubba]

Shep,

I heard Powerstroke was going to Aluminum heads. ###Have you heard of this? ###Just curious. ###I've heard of the Aluminum heads problem, but have never seen or heard of any documented cases.

[Shep]

Bubba,the new in '03 Powerstroke was rumored to have aluminum heads at one time.I believe the final decision was to remain with the existing material.The main reason for considering aluminum heads is a lighter engine package weight.The new Ford P.S.D. is called the G-3 i believe,and if my info is correct it will be in 6 cylinder configuration.The biggest concern with aluminum heads is that the block and heads expand and contract at different rates,(dissimaliar metals)causing warpage and head gasket concerns.The diesel has a very high compression rate,in the neighborhood of 20 to 1 thereby making a ton of heat that must be disspated.The general thinking on diesels is that aluminum heads are used to save weight,not neccesarily add to the life and performance of the engine.This is evident on the majority of industrial diesels,Cats,Cummins,etc.Have you "Juiced" your truck yet?There are a lot of ways to unleash the beast in diesels you know,i've had 2 powerstrokes that i tweaked.Shep.

(Edited by Shep at 11:28 am on Aug. 11, 2002)

[bubba]

I have not done anything to my truck yet. ###I will probably start with a Banks exhaust system. ###The air filter, not sure which way to go yet. ###Your right about clearance on the trucks. ###I will probably just get a lift. ### ###I tow an 8000 lb travel trailer, so I figured this package was best.

[Shep]

Jesse,if you like i can give you some awesome diesel links to help you in your modifications.I highly recommend taking your time and reading all the diesel forums,you have the benefit of talking with guys who have already done the mods you ###may be considering.Enjoy your truck.Shep.

[bubba]

Shep,

I am now a member of Dieselpage.com. ###Lots of good info in there. ###What other sites do you have? ###Appreciate your help. ###I am taking it slow. ###There's not that much out there yet for my truck. ###Or at least, not listed for 2002 yet, I'm sure it uses same stuff as on 2001 model. ###DOn't think there's been that much change between year.