Bivy Sac

[Arrowslinger]

So.......come September i'll be headin' to northern Oregon for a 10 day elk/deer/bear pack trip....we've traveling light and will be carrying bivy sacs, but at the elevation we're hunting, there's a good chance for some early season bad weather--heavy rain & snow.

I really don't want to spend a ton of $'s on a sil-tarp....what are some other products to build a quick roof over my head. I was thinking a low cost poncho could be strung up and work in a pinch....whatchathink?

Thanks in advance for your help & suggestions. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[Family Tradition]

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[scr83jp]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrowslinger @ Jul 19 2006, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=727830)</div>
So.......come September i&#39;ll be headin&#39; to northern Oregon for a 10 day elk/deer/bear pack trip....we&#39;ve traveling light and will be carrying bivy sacs, but at the elevation we&#39;re hunting, there&#39;s a good chance for some early season bad weather--heavy rain & snow.

I really don&#39;t want to spend a ton of $&#39;s on a sil-tarp....what are some other products to build a quick roof over my head. I was thinking a low cost poncho could be strung up and work in a pinch....whatchathink?

Thanks in advance for your help & suggestions. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif[/b] Check http://www.mpioutdoors.com they have a lot of equipment and good tutorials on survival since they make the Space Blanket.I carry one in my jeep.

[Orso]

I&#39;m a big fan of Kifaru (www.kifaru.net). They have some very light, maybe not so cheap, tarps. I have two of their packs and really love&#39;em... You might think about the paratarp and maybe the small stove.

[Zbearclaw]

That area is pretty thick right, if you are just worried about sleeping in the weather, a small tarp and two hiking poles should cover you up good, especially nestled under those thick trees.

[Arrowslinger]

Good suggestions...cheap & light are KEY though. I might end up just making a tarp from coated ripstop nylon and add some scotchguard to it...should be light enough to pack around and would work if needed.

[in2blacktail]

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-cool-shades-down.gif Buy the sil-tarp you cheap skate.. It weighs ounces and compresses the size of a golf ball, made of the lightest fabric on the planet.. You won&#39;t regreat it when your under it staying dry.


10 days in OR you better plan on rain. It would suck to wake up one morning and try to get dressed for the day under a rain pancho you stung up the night before like McGievor.

The beauty of the siltarp is you can set it up with some head clearnace for weather protection, cooking, relaxing, changing clothes, etc.

[BDB]

I am considering the bivy thing but I am torn. I don&#39;t really want to use one if the weather is expected to be bad as I&#39;d rather a tent for the extra room and gear storage. I did just find a very cool ultra light tent though. The Big Angres Seedhouse UL1 at 2 pounds 6 ounces it&#39;s not much more than a bivy and a tarp. Just a thought for others like me who want light but not a bivy. Now all I need to do is convince myself to spend the $240 to get it http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-hitting-self.gif

Sounds like it&#39;s going to be a great trip to Oregon, good luck.

[Arrowslinger]

Yeah, the sil-tarp would be nice...but i&#39;m not paying that much for it. I think a coated rip-stop nylon might be the way to go. Just need to find a place to purchase it and con someone into sewing it up for me.

In2B, you still sew alot?

BDB...yeah, it&#39;s a tough decision to make on the bivy, but there&#39;s no way i&#39;m packing a tent around for 10 days. The set up and take down alone would kill me after that long.

[Zbearclaw]

What size sil tarp, or similair product, would you in the know recommend?

[BDB]

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In2B, you still sew alot?[/b]
You have that wrong AS, Brian on knits and does needle point http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-devil.gif
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BDB...yeah, it&#39;s a tough decision to make on the bivy, but there&#39;s no way i&#39;m packing a tent around for 10 days. The set up and take down alone would kill me after that long.[/b]
I&#39;ll agree with that. If I was moving every day I&#39;d agree with you 100%. Ah hell, I&#39;ll just by both and not tell the wife about either. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-cool-shades-down.gif

[Arrowslinger]

&#39;buy both&#39;.....that my friend is a great idea, better to get&#39;em now than latter. also...got the maps, good quality and much appreciated.

BDB, i hear ya on the needle point, he did great work on this sweater for my parents dog...thanks in2.


any other ideas for a quick and inexpensive shelter??

[garsrene]

Tarp is nice but you&#39;re not protected against bugs, ticks and varmint crawling on the ground, plus you need to carry and extra pad and a gore tex pouch to protect your sleeping bag being wet.

For me winter or summer there is only a hennesy hammock, the tarp is big enough to cock under, if you fold correctly the net you have a chair, and when packed it is the size of an 1.5L bottle. In winter add a little poncho on the bottom to be able to change your close before to go to bed

http://www.hennessyhammock.com/sp-soldiers.htm

PS thanks for the Kufaru links I didn&#39;t know this brand they make some awesome gear!!!

[in2blacktail]

OK AS-

I think you can pick up a sil-tarp for about $60 bucks. You might have to add a couple of houses&#39; on your paper route to cover the expense, but you have time between now and your hunt date.

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BDB, i hear ya on the needle point, he did great work on this sweater for my parents dog...thanks in2.[/b]

AS- Here is the sweater with Family Traditions initail you requested , it should fit you just fine. Now you and your parent&#39;s poodle can match when you walk her.

[BDB]

Now that is some nice hog killing camo right there, nice work Brian http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-laugh-point-up-yellow.gif

[tdbob]

If you want a cheap tarp, how about Tyvek. The stuff they wrap houses with. It&#39;s lighter and stronger than nylon. Here&#39;s a link on how to tie line to it. http://home.midsouth.rr.com/tyvek/info.html

[easymoney]

There is also a website on Henry Shires Tarp Tents, that he sells and has instructions to make the DIY.

[denny]

I&#39;m a several year tarp/bivy user, you have to figure in the weight of ropes and stakes to make it functional and if you don&#39;t have hiking sticks or something to use as poles you will be limiting the sights that will work well for you, a multiday hunt with the likelyhood of rain and wind wouldn&#39;t be my first choice to learn the skills tarp camping require. I haven&#39;t seen one but Eureka sells a tent called the spitfire that is claimed to weigh 2 3/4 lb and requires one stake on each end to set-up, it is available on e-bay for about $82 shipped. A tent like this can be set up and taken down in moments anywhere you can drive two stakes. A coated nylon tarp would work well for you and being coated it doesn&#39;t need to be sprayed with campdry, but tarp camping in bad weather needs practice and should be done in the backyard or on overnights rather than a hunt you&#39;ve prepared all year for. have a great hunt denny

[Family Tradition]

All I want to know is how I got dragged into this?

[Arrowslinger]

FT......guilt by association.

denny, i&#39;d like to hear more about the "skills tarp camping require". Didn&#39;t realize it was a complex peice of equipment.

[Family Tradition]

SO guilt by association eh

Whats worse, me being associated with you two bozos OR you with me?

Tarp camping is tricky, you go under the tarp just in case you were having a hard time putting two and two together.

MS

[Lurediver]

I remember this one time when AS and myself were pig hunting in the rain, his sleeping bag got all wet and he then demanded me to let him join me in my sleeping bag http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-cool-shades-down.gif ! Tell you what, I jumped straight out of my bag and ran to my truck in the pooring rain and locked the doors! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/afraid_face.gif

[in2blacktail]

I had a funny feeling gut wrenching AS stories would find their way to the surface.

[Arrowslinger]

LD...Ya don&#39;t want me telling the story about the little girl (you) i heard crying in the woods do ya?

[in2blacktail]

AS-

I still think a tarp of some sort would be your best bet used in conjunction with your Bivy up in OR. The bivy provides the screen/ bug protection and waterproofing. The tarp provides you a little more protection from the elements and from a direct assault of weather .The tarp gives you options if you do want to seal yourself up like a tamale if you get the weather. Depending on the duration of rain, condensation might be a problem. With a tarp shelter you can at least sleep with your bivy open with the bug screen.

You’re absolutely right about the sil-tarp and it being pretty expensive compared to other common tarp materials. The beauty of it is in the weight. Priceless to some.

Wish you well as you do your research. Would be wise to setup whatever shelter you go with and get familiar with it. Pitch it several times and maybe even in the wind. Setup can be a little tricky. Good luck on your trip too. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbs-up-ani.gif

[Family Tradition]

Wow I2BT what a nice warm and fuzzy reply.

Well ASSLINGER you wont get any thing like that from me.

If you plan on posting up photos of some HUGE P&Y Blacktail I pan on imagining you shivering like a 5&#39;11" otterpop and so miserable that you beg us to come up and bail you out after you realize you blew it by not inviting I2 and me to come along and hold your hand on such a cool and lifetime quality hunt.

Hope you dont mind http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smiley-cool-shades-down.gif

[denny]

Sorry I didn&#39;t intend to make tarp camping sound complex, I just wanted to throw out the info on the tent because I&#39;ve been thinking about trying one, If it really weighs what they say it&#39;s lighter then my I.D. bivy and sil shelter combo and costs about 1/4 th as much. I tend to carry a 5x8 sil tarp more then the sil shelter it&#39;s about half the weight and bulk and setup against a downed tree makes a pretty fair shelter. I spent a few pretty cold and miserable nights in the snowand rain last sept. and am going to pack in a decent spike camp to the top this year with a ti-goat stove and tipi and then bivy out of there into the different drainages hitting base camp every 2 or 3 days to warm up and dry out. denny

[Family Tradition]

Hey Denny

Thanks for the input, good info for sure.

In2blacktail and I need all the help we can get with teaching Arrowslinger how to hunt in the backcountry. But he&#39;s kinda slow on the uptake if you catch my drift.

I mean anybody that shows up for a hunt in a Pontiac GrandPrix deserves a special parking spot if you know what I&#39;m tryin to say.

Welcome to the Backpacking Forum, enjoy.

FT

[Oregon Archer]

At what elevation and in what area are you planning your hunt? I hunt mainly at 4500-6500ft in the Cascades. Hardly ever see rain during early archery season. If we do its not heavy rain and doesnt last long. Never any snow.

Heres an inexpensive tarp. Looks to be pretty versatile.

http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/s...mberId=12500226 (http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=12155&memberId=12500226)

[Greenleaf]

That poly tarp wieghs almost a pound more and only costs $10 less than the sil-tarp.

http://www.prolitegear.com/pl_id_siltarp_5x8.html