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spectr17
07-12-2002, 11:07 AM
July 9, 2002

WorldNetDaily.com

Col. David Hackworth

An open letter to members of Congress

Dear Honorable Congresspersons:

One of your vital tasks is to ensure that our warriors who hang it all out on the killing field are equipped with the right stuff.

I don't see that happening anytime soon unless you get enough straight skinny to counteract lobbyist propaganda and other military-industrial-congressional-complex spin. So to help provide more fair and balanced input, I plan to occasionally pass along some of the most commonly recurring bitches that come my way weekly in e-mails, letters, phone calls, etc., from our warriors.

Let's begin with the M-9, the 9 mm Beretta pistol; which our combat troops say is the first item that should be tossed into the junk pile!

"They're constantly breaking," reports a warrior from Afghanistan. "To make matters worse, the 9 mm round is like firing paint balls. I had to pump four rounds into an al-Qaida who was coming at me before he dropped. We're dealing with fanatical crazies out here who won't quit until they die for Allah."

The Beretta can only be used bone-dry. Even then, it jams repeatedly if sand or grit gets into moving parts. Its ball round has proven to be worse than the .38 Colt pistol slug used by the U.S. Army in the Philippines until it was retired almost a century ago in favor of the .45 ACP M-1911 pistol; fielded to stop the Moros, who ironically were also Islamic fanatics.

Now Special Forces and Light Infantry soldiers in Afghanistan want to bring back the century-old .45, and some elite Marine units already have. A Special Forces sergeant says, "The large-caliber, slow-moving .45 bullet puts the bad guys on the ground. Lighter stuff like the Beretta's 9 mm will too, eventually, but on the battlefield you almost always have to double tap, and in close combat a gunfighter hasn't the time or the ammo to lose firing two rounds."

Rangers, Marines and most Special Ops troops are some of the other elite warriors in the U.S. military who carry personal firearms in combat while the brass look the other way. Quite a few choose to pack two purchased handguns. But the only Rangers who use the Beretta, even as backup, are those who can't afford to buy their own firearms, and they and the rest of these elite fighters unanimously agree that they "can't trust this fragile, unreliable sidearm."

Almost all the Rangers engaged in hand-to-hand combat during Op Anaconda packed their own personal sidearms. "When I ran out of ammo with my rifle, I pulled my pistol," a Ranger sergeant says. "It saved my life. I hit a number of enemy 30-40 yards away who went down immediately from my .45 rounds. With a Beretta, I wouldn't have made it because of the far-too-light 9 mm bullet, play in the action and its limited range."

In another fight, a Ranger fired several torso shots with a .45 pistol before his foe fell. "When we looked at the corpses, we found their mouths full of khat," he says. "It was like these guys were pumped up on PCP. With the Beretta, I'd have had to fire all 15 rounds and then thrown the pistol at this wild-eyed dude."

We went into Vietnam with a bad weapon, the M-16 rifle, which was responsible for killing thousands of our soldiers. It was a jammer, and if you have a jammed rifle in a firefight, you're dead. The M-16 was such a loser that some jungle-smart grunts refused to carry it and packed captured Soviet AK-47s instead.

What the M-16 was to Vietnam, the Beretta is to Afghanistan. And a soldier with no confidence in his weapon isn't the most motivated fighter in Death Valley.

"We're frustrated here that no one in Washington seems to have the slightest concern for our survival," writes a sergeant from Afghanistan. "It's a damn good thing that we have air superiority and so far haven't had many heavy fights."

Perhaps you congressional folks can figure out how to recycle some of the bucks we'll save from the Pentagon-zapped Crusader and get our combat troops a decent sidearm. This would surely relieve some of that frustration and, just by the way, keep our warriors alive.

Kernhuntr
07-15-2002, 08:45 AM
While I disagree with the assment of the M-16 (after the bugs and the Winchster power problem were resolved), I wholeheartedly agree with the bashing of the Barreta for combat use.

All great defensive caliburs begin with a 4.

Kernhuntr

LAgunman2K
07-16-2002, 03:06 AM
a lot of police depts have found that the 9mm doesnt have the take down power, there are more than a handful of shooting incidents where it took a full mag(15+ rounds) of 9mm to drop the criminal, of course a lot of depts dont issue HP ammo and use FMJs (like LAPD). the military would be smart to follow police depts and abandon the 9mm at least for the 40cal, which they could get in the beretta if they want to keep that model. i think there is a geneva convention ruling that doesnt allow HP ammo in combat. at least the tankers still use the 1911

spectr17
07-16-2002, 09:43 PM
In the USAF we qualified and were issued S&W .38 revolvers. I like revolvers for a backup but in .38???? We quickly ditched the .38s for .45s and Colt .357s & .44s for a backup wheelgun. All the other services I saw issued the .45, this is back in the 70s and 80s time frame. I know when they starting issuing the Berettas to SPECOPs they were blowing out barrrels with the hot loads. I believe they have corrected that problem.

A friend that was cop told me about chasing a guy one night after an armed robbery in progress call. He caught up to the guy around a corner and they both met face to face. He said he just started ###pulling the trigger on his then new issue 9mm when he saw the perps barrel coming up and so did the perp. The guy ran off and they found him 2 blocks away. My friend thought he had missed in all the scramble but it turned out he hit the guy 5 times. The bad guy missed my friend with all his shots but did leave a hole in his shirt under his arm.

That's when I first wondered why PDs were going to the 9mms. The military soon followed. Soldiers in Mogadishu reported how their new M4 ammo that was for defeating body armor was going clean through the bad guys without any noticable effect. They mentioned also how disconcerting it was to shoot someone several times to just see any effect at all.

Kernhunter, don't get me started on that Mattel plastic gun called the M-16.

MarinePMI
07-17-2002, 12:31 PM
I remember when we switched over...During the gulf, those of us carrying them sure weren't using ball ammo! ###147gr Hydrashok...not the best out there, but better than the Israeli manufactured ball ammo they were trying to pawn off on us...

We used to say, "Uncle Sam may be able to tell us we have to carry it, but he ain't gonna tell us what we're going to shoot out of it!"